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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by sonicmetalicS197
I think it's like every 5 or 15 thousand miles. Take it off shoot water from the inside out, like put the hose inside the filter to shoot stuff out not in the filter. Then dry and oil.
There's a lot of opinions regarding at what mileage to clean the filter but IMO, 15,000 miles is a bit conservative but prudent. Find yourself a cleaning kit (contains a cleaner which is basically a solvent to help dissolve the old oil plus new oil) or, if you want to buy just the oil, you can use any household grease dissolving agent such as dishwashing lotion and water in a sprayer (or any other means at your disposal to soak the element). The object is to rinse the old oil off the paper element along with any other contamination. Just be sure to thoroughly rinse it all out and thoroughly dry, dry, dry it (and then dry it some more) before reoiling.

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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 06:54 AM
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It's the adaptive learning. When I baby mine around town it does the same thing then when I weant to get on it it feels sluggish. Disconnected battery and let it sit a bit..hook it back up and it's like a new car again.
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 08:27 AM
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can the learning adaptive system be disconnected through the tune.
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 08GT4U
can the learning adaptive system be disconnected through the tune.
It's not one of the user-adjustable parameters, at least on the XCAL2. Although someone on the forum mentioned that they THOUGHT Bama's tunes turned it off, other's with Bama tunes seem to experience the return to "sluggishness". I'd contact Bama and Brenspeed and ask them.
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 09:27 AM
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thats why i ask.i read that someone ask dough to disconnect it.if thats the case ill be calling bama as soon as they open.
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 09:50 AM
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This is what Doug from BamaChips said on another forum:

"The ECU's adaptive learning feature does NOT affect the S197's performance during "Open Loop" operation(WOT, cold engine) if it has a CUSTOM tune. This is because the tuner turns off the ECU's ability to apply learned A/F corrections to the "Open Loop" tables. However, the stock tune has the ability to do this. Still, this isn't the adaptive feature you are looking for.
There are some values in the stock tune's Torque Management feature for automatics that can cause it to learn how to shift softly, which should be disabled in EVERY tune made. However, both this and adaptive learning are parameters that cannot be selected from either Diablo's or SCT's user options. They both have to be done in the custom tuning(Read: My) software.
Adaptive learning can be turned off, but this will limit the amount of learning the car can do for different situations. This can be a bad thing if you drive in different altitudes and different climates. The ECU must have some sort of learning ability to be able to adjust for different conditions. But this still shouldn't make a huge power difference while in the "Closed Loop"(learning) mode, when the ECU is trying to keep the engine as close to a 14.64 A/F ratio as possible in order to maximize efficiency(mpg) and minimize emissions. This is where fuel trims come into play, since they tell the tale of how much correction the ECU is making to keep the engine as close to 14.64 as it can by using the readings from the front 02 sensors. Normally +/- 5% is well within Ford's factory specs. But if the A/F ratio gets outside that range, and the ECU cannot make any further adjustments to it, then the the system will run either lean or rich, and give either a P015X or P017X code.
So, in effect, there isn't a parameter that will completely turn off your ECU's learning ability, which you don't want to do anyway. I think that the loss of performance is caused by the new "Drive By Wire" system, which makes adjustments to the total amount of torque that the engine is allowed to make, since this is how the DBW system works anyway, i.e., it
commands a specific amount of torque as determined by the pedal position. And when the amount of torque is greater or less than what it should be, then the ECU goes into the fail safe mode. And the process by which tuners adjust these settings within the factory parameters determines how the engine gains and maintains maximum driveability. Turning the "Torque Management" off is a good start, but having a tuner that knows what's going on is the best way to get the most from the car."

Suggest that you see if a gas pedal/throttle body recalibration helps:
1- Turn the ignition to ON without starting the engine(dashboard lights come on and chime sounds).
2- After the chime stops, smoothly depress the gas pedal to the floor while counting 1001-1002-1003.
3- Release the gas pedal using the same procedure in 2.
4- Wait 6 seconds, and turn the ignition to OFF.
5- Wait 6 sec., and repeat steps 1-4 two more times.
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 10:17 AM
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I just reload the tune and it seems to wake the car up.
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 10:56 AM
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05GT66, when did you first install the tune, was it in the cooler months? If so, all your experiencing is a loss of power due to warmer temperatures. These cars seem 20% faster in cooler weather.
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by phatphil
05GT66, when did you first install the tune, was it in the cooler months? If so, all your experiencing is a loss of power due to warmer temperatures. These cars seem 20% faster in cooler weather.
+1

I forgot about us getting into (and for some, ALREADY into) the heatsoak time of year. That'll absolutely zap a lot of power.
Old May 1, 2009 | 03:36 AM
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Just out of curiosity, have cleaned the Throttle Body (T/B)? If not, that will make a difference. Use a carb/choke cleaner. Take the tb off and clean both inside and out. It will make a difference on how the car performs.
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