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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 07:52 PM
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I don't get it...
If there is a LAW against the warranty being voided unless the specific aftermarket part
caused the problem, would it not be illegal for Ford to even print
such a thing?
Old Nov 7, 2010 | 07:55 PM
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They can print what they want... another intimidation tactic aimed at the panty wearing public. I'd think if Ford attempted to stand by that they'd lose. Of course, the service mangler can always point to it when dealing with the panties...
Old Nov 7, 2010 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Blacksmoke
I don't get it...
If there is a LAW against the warranty being voided unless the specific aftermarket part
caused the problem, would it not be illegal for Ford to even print
such a thing?
Nope, not illegal at all. You should see the lease I have my current tenants under. It states that if they have any cats or dogs inside the home it will be a $5,000 penalty per animal per occurrence. Totally not enforceable if it went to court. It also states that the lease amount is $1,500 per month with a 10% discount for them paying prior to midnight on the last day of the previous month which means if the rent check is in my hand on the 30th or 31st, their rent is $1,350. It also states that if the rent is received after noon on the the 2nd that there is a 10% penalty applied to every day. You pay on the 2nd, it's $1,650. On the 3rd it is $1,815. On the 4th, $1,996.50. On the 5th day you would be over $2,000 in arrears, and I reserve the right to come in, take any and all personal property, sell it, change the locks, and kick you out of the house. The dollar amounts in my lease are TOTALLY enforceable. My ability to kick you out of the house and sell all of your stuff is totally illegal. It is not illegal for me to put that verbiage in the lease. It is not illegal for me to threaten them with doing that and showing them that they signed that line on the lease. Most people believe whatever they sign is the law. It's not.

P.S. My renters always pay no later than the 25th.
Old Nov 7, 2010 | 08:10 PM
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If anybody can find the hidden verbiage in the owner's manual, please point it out to me. I've attached the 2011 manual to this thread. The only thing I found was that mixing wrong fluids would void your warranty and running the wrong air filter would void your warranty.

See attached.
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jsnyng
If anybody can find the hidden verbiage in the owner's manual, please point it out to me. I've attached the 2011 manual to this thread. The only thing I found was that mixing wrong fluids would void your warranty and running the wrong air filter would void your warranty.

See attached.
Just as I thought. Another pot stirring post about nothing. sigh...
Old Nov 7, 2010 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jsnyng
If anybody can find the hidden verbiage in the owner's manual, please point it out to me. I've attached the 2011 manual to this thread. The only thing I found was that mixing wrong fluids would void your warranty and running the wrong air filter would void your warranty.

See attached.
+1 - just b/c something is in print doesn't mean it's enforceable. seems like to me the issue would be convincing a judge/jury that whatever mods you had done were not the source of the problem for which you were making a claim against the manufacturer's warranty. could get pretty hairy if you'd made changes to the vehicle on-board computer (i.e. a tune).
Old Nov 7, 2010 | 08:35 PM
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I just went through the actual supplemental warranty guide. Here's what it says verbatim:

Damage Caused by Alteration or Modification
The New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover any damage caused by:
• alterations or modifications of the vehicle, including the body, chassis,
or components, after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor
Company
• tampering with the vehicle, tampering with the emissions systems or
with the other parts that affect these systems (for example, but not
limited to exhaust and intake systems)
• the installation or use of a non-Ford Motor Company part (other than
a certified emissions part) or any part (Ford or non-Ford) designed
for off-road use only installed after the vehicle leaves the control of
Ford Motor Company, if the installed part fails or causes a Ford part
to fail. Examples include, but are not limited to lift kits, oversized
tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting
systems and performance-enhancing powertrain components or
software and performance ‘‘chips’
This still reads to me that they have to prove that your mods caused the failure.
Old Nov 7, 2010 | 08:39 PM
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It is in there, and I will get a copy of it for you guys. Why so hard to believe, ask any GTR owner how fickle a dealer a manufacturer will be with doing ANYTHING to the car.

It is not a conspiracy, simply an evolution of the times. Hell, the new coyote's are 11:1 compression - you can bet your *** Ford and the dealerships are worried about people throwing FI on them like the norm for the S197's.

I was just giving you a heads up - believe it or not - I really don't care. Anyone who knows me on this forum knows how I feel about warranties anyway - I feel if you have any worry about a warranty at all, you shouldn't have bought a muscle car - you should have bought a KIA and you definitely have no business on a modding forum - but that's just my opinion and I know a lot of guys do sweat warranty so I was just giving you a heads up - not opening up to a debate. Go tune your car and lift a head and go to the dealer and see what happens for yourself - I really don't care.

The new motors are pretty bad *** - I just watched one run 10.60's bone stock with a KB at 8 psi this past weekend - pretty damn impressive but Ford is not behind any modding anymore, that is just a fact.

BTW: here is what my little ole' 4.6 3V ran over the weekend...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ09YcvHi4o

Yeah - I don't know crap about modding mustangs...lol
Old Nov 7, 2010 | 09:24 PM
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Damage Caused by Alteration or ModificationThe New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover any damage caused by:
• alterations or modifications of the vehicle, including the body, chassis,
or components, after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor
Company
• tampering with the vehicle, tampering with the emissions systems or
with the other parts that affect these systems (for example, but not
limited to exhaust and intake systems)
• the installation or use of a non-Ford Motor Company part (other than
a certified emissions part) or any part (Ford or non-Ford) designed
for off-road use only installed after the vehicle leaves the control of
Ford Motor Company, if the installed part fails or causes a Ford part
to fail. Examples include, but are not limited to lift kits, oversized
tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting
systems and performance-enhancing powertrain components or
software and performance ‘‘chips’’

Thanks for posting that. It doesn't read any different than the law. The key words are caused by. I don't have a dog in this fight anyway. I've replaced every part in my powertrain except for the axles, tubes, and housing. I figure if anything I've done causes any of my remaining stock parts to fail (like breaking an axle) I'll man up and take responsibility for it.
Old Nov 7, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by modaddict
It is in there, and I will get a copy of it for you guys. Why so hard to believe, ask any GTR owner how fickle a dealer a manufacturer will be with doing ANYTHING to the car.

It is not a conspiracy, simply an evolution of the times. Hell, the new coyote's are 11:1 compression - you can bet your *** Ford and the dealerships are worried about people throwing FI on them like the norm for the S197's.

I was just giving you a heads up - believe it or not - I really don't care. Anyone who knows me on this forum knows how I feel about warranties anyway - I feel if you have any worry about a warranty at all, you shouldn't have bought a muscle car - you should have bought a KIA and you definitely have no business on a modding forum - but that's just my opinion and I know a lot of guys do sweat warranty so I was just giving you a heads up - not opening up to a debate. Go tune your car and lift a head and go to the dealer and see what happens for yourself - I really don't care.

The new motors are pretty bad *** - I just watched one run 10.60's bone stock with a KB at 8 psi this past weekend - pretty damn impressive but Ford is not behind any modding anymore, that is just a fact.

BTW: here is what my little ole' 4.6 3V ran over the weekend...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ09YcvHi4o

Yeah - I don't know crap about modding mustangs...lol
You got the twin turbo 323 option Roush. Wish I would of checked that box

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