Procharger V6 Kit!!!
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Well some of you fine lads purchase one and tell us how it pans out. I aiming for a 3.7 mustang this summer because well I just love them (even over my 3V) and I love the ideal of this procharger kit. But I will wait a few years until the warranty is almost done to add one, That way I will know the limitations of this finely engineered machine from Ford via other peoples mis haps 
. I dont think this car will break under a tame amount of boost, Which boost does stress all engines more but you have to pay to play.
. I dont think this car will break under a tame amount of boost, Which boost does stress all engines more but you have to pay to play.
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This is a Dyno on a 2011 5.0 Mustang.
The base boost for the 5.0 is 7 PSI.
The 3.7 will be 8 PSI We hear.
The full boost comes on at 7,000RPM.
As you can see, your car will not be
at 8 PSI boost all the time.
Yes I know boost is boost.
ProCharger P-1SC DYNO 2011 5.0 Mustang
Stock P-1SC-1 Difference
RPM HP TQ HP TQ Boost HP TQ
4,500 294 339 355 404 2.90 61 65
4,600 299 337 365 406 3.00 66 69
4,700 304 336 373 406 3.10 69 70
4,800 310 336 381 406 3.30 71 70
4,900 316 335 392 406 3.40 76 71
5,000 321 334 400 407 3.50 79 73
5,200 331 331 415 407 3.80 84 76
5,300 334 328 423 407 3.90 89 79
5,400 336 324 430 406 4.10 94 82
5,500 339 321 437 406 4.20 98 85
5,600 340 316 444 405 4.30 104 89
5,700 342 312 451 404 4.50 109 92
5,800 343 308 456 402 4.70 113 94
5,900 345 305 463 401 4.80 118 96
6,000 347 302 469 400 5.00 122 98
6,100 349 298 475 399 5.20 126 101
6,200 351 295 480 397 5.40 129 102
6,300 352 294 485 395 5.60 133 101
6,400 353 292 491 393 5.80 138 101
6,500 n/a n/a 496 392 6.00 n/a n/a
6,600 n/a n/a 500 390 6.20 n/a n/a
6,700 n/a n/a 505 387 6.50 n/a n/a
The base boost for the 5.0 is 7 PSI.
The 3.7 will be 8 PSI We hear.
The full boost comes on at 7,000RPM.
As you can see, your car will not be
at 8 PSI boost all the time.
Yes I know boost is boost.
ProCharger P-1SC DYNO 2011 5.0 Mustang
Stock P-1SC-1 Difference
RPM HP TQ HP TQ Boost HP TQ
4,500 294 339 355 404 2.90 61 65
4,600 299 337 365 406 3.00 66 69
4,700 304 336 373 406 3.10 69 70
4,800 310 336 381 406 3.30 71 70
4,900 316 335 392 406 3.40 76 71
5,000 321 334 400 407 3.50 79 73
5,200 331 331 415 407 3.80 84 76
5,300 334 328 423 407 3.90 89 79
5,400 336 324 430 406 4.10 94 82
5,500 339 321 437 406 4.20 98 85
5,600 340 316 444 405 4.30 104 89
5,700 342 312 451 404 4.50 109 92
5,800 343 308 456 402 4.70 113 94
5,900 345 305 463 401 4.80 118 96
6,000 347 302 469 400 5.00 122 98
6,100 349 298 475 399 5.20 126 101
6,200 351 295 480 397 5.40 129 102
6,300 352 294 485 395 5.60 133 101
6,400 353 292 491 393 5.80 138 101
6,500 n/a n/a 496 392 6.00 n/a n/a
6,600 n/a n/a 500 390 6.20 n/a n/a
6,700 n/a n/a 505 387 6.50 n/a n/a
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The pistons in the 3.7 are cast. They are not even of the "hyper-cast" variety which would be some insurance against broken ring lands. That said, then there are issues with blowby caused by boosting... Hyper-case pistons are relatively stable in terms of their diameter whether hot or cold, and properly sized by the OEM for a boosted application, then blowby is designed around. But just cast pistons... I don't know about that.
But the engine... All I have are doubts about anykind of reliabilty without forged pistons. Sure they have oil squirters to help dissapate heat and reduce the thermal load, but any det is going to see many-a-broken ringlands.
But the engine... All I have are doubts about anykind of reliabilty without forged pistons. Sure they have oil squirters to help dissapate heat and reduce the thermal load, but any det is going to see many-a-broken ringlands.
Does anyone here have access to Alldata? If they can look up the part numbers of the pistons, and or the shortblock, then that would set the truth in stone, so to speak.
Just because the engine is the same class as the ecoboost v6, does not mean that the internals are carryover... Probably far from it, or likely far from it. The boosted v6 I would has different compression ratio pistons, and therefore are not from the same tool, and hence not of the same material (straight casting versus hyper-cast).
It would be great if all the internals are carryover from the ecoboost!!!!!!!
(of this I do know, that the 5.0L GT does have hypercast pistons because Ford knew all along that people such as Roush and others would be offering supercharger editions of the GT, with the factory warranty -- remains to be seen if Ford did the same strategy with the V6).
p.s. that's great about the tranny being carryover from the GT!!!!
Just because the engine is the same class as the ecoboost v6, does not mean that the internals are carryover... Probably far from it, or likely far from it. The boosted v6 I would has different compression ratio pistons, and therefore are not from the same tool, and hence not of the same material (straight casting versus hyper-cast).
It would be great if all the internals are carryover from the ecoboost!!!!!!!
(of this I do know, that the 5.0L GT does have hypercast pistons because Ford knew all along that people such as Roush and others would be offering supercharger editions of the GT, with the factory warranty -- remains to be seen if Ford did the same strategy with the V6).
p.s. that's great about the tranny being carryover from the GT!!!!
Boost is boost, doesn't matter if it's from a turbo that spools up on exaust gasses, or a SC which spools up on the belt drive. Turbocharging will not adversly affect MPG since there isn't a 100% constant mechanical drag on the crankshaft... But boost is boost, is boost. Turbos have lag, and superchargers come with decreased fuel mileage... choose your poison.
The real question is about much life you expect out of an engine with cast pistons. You may say that 8psi isn't much, but turbo'd WRX comes with
11psi and hypercast pistons... in fact all of the turbo cars on the market today use hypercast pistons. They more stout than cast pistons.
If you're going to shell the $$$ for a supercharger, might as well swap out your pistons!
Just remember, pay to play. I'm planning on picking up a Mustang in March or April, and I'm leaning towards to perf.pack. v6 with NA bolt-ons and tune for a daily driver.
The real question is about much life you expect out of an engine with cast pistons. You may say that 8psi isn't much, but turbo'd WRX comes with
11psi and hypercast pistons... in fact all of the turbo cars on the market today use hypercast pistons. They more stout than cast pistons.
If you're going to shell the $$$ for a supercharger, might as well swap out your pistons!
Just remember, pay to play. I'm planning on picking up a Mustang in March or April, and I'm leaning towards to perf.pack. v6 with NA bolt-ons and tune for a daily driver.
You obviously don't understand the first thing about casting, forging or metals in general. You keep talking about "hyper cast" stuff and how its better than regular castings. Hypercasting does not exist. It is a word you made up. I'm assuming you think you're talking about hyper-eutectic pistons. All hyper-eutectic means is that there is more of one element than is soluble in the other. In pistons this means having more silicon than the aluminum can dissolve. This creates silicon particles.
By the way, hyper-eutectuc pistons ARE CAST.
Cliffnotes
Hyper casting is a fake process that does not exist
Hyper-eutectic is a real word to describe the percentages of two alloying elements
Having cast parts does not equal engine failure under boost
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hehe 3.0 just Pwned it right about thur ^^^^^^
From my knowledge and to make this easier for simple minded peeps like me Hyper cast is slang term for hyper-eutectuc and is well Cast like 3.0Taurass just stated, made for lighter for faster revs (Im sure there is more formula to it then that). Its true they are brittle to likes of forged pistons but hey Forged pistons are forged for a reason AhemIright? Also the silicon on new cast pistons (as well as most new coated pistons) help tremendously now in the day and age of brighter engineering... a little boost wont hurt but like all stock internals they have a breaking point. Also there is nothing wrong with DD'ers that are boosted, keep up that thur maintenance and all shall be less expensive.... Really I don't know what the heck I am talking about.
From my knowledge and to make this easier for simple minded peeps like me Hyper cast is slang term for hyper-eutectuc and is well Cast like 3.0Taurass just stated, made for lighter for faster revs (Im sure there is more formula to it then that). Its true they are brittle to likes of forged pistons but hey Forged pistons are forged for a reason AhemIright? Also the silicon on new cast pistons (as well as most new coated pistons) help tremendously now in the day and age of brighter engineering... a little boost wont hurt but like all stock internals they have a breaking point. Also there is nothing wrong with DD'ers that are boosted, keep up that thur maintenance and all shall be less expensive.... Really I don't know what the heck I am talking about.
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hehe 3.0 just Pwned it right about thur ^^^^^^
From my knowledge and to make this easier for simple minded peeps like me Hyper cast is slang term for hyper-eutectuc and is well Cast like 3.0Taurass just stated, made for lighter for faster revs (Im sure there is more formula to it then that). Its true they are brittle to likes of forged pistons but hey Forged pistons are forged for a reason AhemIright? Also the silicon on new cast pistons (as well as most new coated pistons) help tremendously now in the day and age of brighter engineering... a little boost wont hurt but like all stock internals they have a breaking point. Also there is nothing wrong with DD'ers that are boosted, keep up that thur maintenance and all shall be less expensive.... Really I don't know what the heck I am talking about.
From my knowledge and to make this easier for simple minded peeps like me Hyper cast is slang term for hyper-eutectuc and is well Cast like 3.0Taurass just stated, made for lighter for faster revs (Im sure there is more formula to it then that). Its true they are brittle to likes of forged pistons but hey Forged pistons are forged for a reason AhemIright? Also the silicon on new cast pistons (as well as most new coated pistons) help tremendously now in the day and age of brighter engineering... a little boost wont hurt but like all stock internals they have a breaking point. Also there is nothing wrong with DD'ers that are boosted, keep up that thur maintenance and all shall be less expensive.... Really I don't know what the heck I am talking about.
A eutectic is the exact mixture so the material has a single melting point which is lower than either of the materials individually. Like Tin Bismuth eutectic melts at 280 farenheight but tin melts at 450 and bismuth melts at 520. So its only because the piston is made from Al and Si that it makes any positive difference.
Under heating the Si particles act to "hold back" per se the matrix of aluminum and decrease the thermal expansion value. So if it was just pure aluminum it would expand at a much higher rate.
Forging is applying force to a material and in metals it refines the grain structure, making the grains smaller and directional so the strength of the material increase.
I go to school for this stuff and right now I'm doing an internship at a 370,000 sqft forging facility lol
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Lol yeah what Moses just said.
Also that has to be Flywheel Hp with the 3.7 procharger right ? if not then thats some super nice numbers worth upgrading pistons for as well as bumping up to a T56 Magnum Trans.
Also that has to be Flywheel Hp with the 3.7 procharger right ? if not then thats some super nice numbers worth upgrading pistons for as well as bumping up to a T56 Magnum Trans.
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I found something on the hypercast die process. Still sounds like it's in the development stages though.
Hypercasting -
Researchers at the North American Die Casting Assoc. (NADCA), Wheeling, Ill., are developing a die-casting material and process that improves mechanical properties of aluminum and magnesium alloys and lets manufacturers “dial-in” a particular coefficient of thermal expansion. The so-called HyperCast project involves composite materials containing ceramic particles in a metal matrix. What sets this method apart from traditional techniques is the way the particles get into the matrix. Rather than being mixed into the molten metal, particles are formed through an exothermic chemical reaction. HyperCasting is said to produce strong, lightweight, 100%-recyclable parts for automotive parts such as engine blocks and components, and suspension parts.
Hypercasting -
Researchers at the North American Die Casting Assoc. (NADCA), Wheeling, Ill., are developing a die-casting material and process that improves mechanical properties of aluminum and magnesium alloys and lets manufacturers “dial-in” a particular coefficient of thermal expansion. The so-called HyperCast project involves composite materials containing ceramic particles in a metal matrix. What sets this method apart from traditional techniques is the way the particles get into the matrix. Rather than being mixed into the molten metal, particles are formed through an exothermic chemical reaction. HyperCasting is said to produce strong, lightweight, 100%-recyclable parts for automotive parts such as engine blocks and components, and suspension parts.
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Ahhh. Just realized you what you guys are already talking about looks like FoxThree is mixing the terms hypercast and hypereutectic.
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I found something on the hypercast die process. Still sounds like it's in the development stages though.
Hypercasting -
Researchers at the North American Die Casting Assoc. (NADCA), Wheeling, Ill., are developing a die-casting material and process that improves mechanical properties of aluminum and magnesium alloys and lets manufacturers “dial-in” a particular coefficient of thermal expansion. The so-called HyperCast project involves composite materials containing ceramic particles in a metal matrix. What sets this method apart from traditional techniques is the way the particles get into the matrix. Rather than being mixed into the molten metal, particles are formed through an exothermic chemical reaction. HyperCasting is said to produce strong, lightweight, 100%-recyclable parts for automotive parts such as engine blocks and components, and suspension parts.
Hypercasting -
Researchers at the North American Die Casting Assoc. (NADCA), Wheeling, Ill., are developing a die-casting material and process that improves mechanical properties of aluminum and magnesium alloys and lets manufacturers “dial-in” a particular coefficient of thermal expansion. The so-called HyperCast project involves composite materials containing ceramic particles in a metal matrix. What sets this method apart from traditional techniques is the way the particles get into the matrix. Rather than being mixed into the molten metal, particles are formed through an exothermic chemical reaction. HyperCasting is said to produce strong, lightweight, 100%-recyclable parts for automotive parts such as engine blocks and components, and suspension parts.
Heres a paper from fifteen years ago on the same exact thing
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...d&searchtype=a
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I was under the impression that hyper-eutectic pistons were used because they are less prone to change their shape under thermal expansion. Meaning that there is less engine wear while an engine is warming up. The down side is that they are extremely sensitive to detonation (much more than forged parts) and pretty much come apart with the slightest bit of detonation. Am I incorrect?