So is there no point to just run a torque arm unless you run a watts link/phb??? I mean FLSFC's, torque arm, and lower control arms doesnt seem like that much suspension work...

 

You can actually run a PHB/WL without a torque arm. You can do it the other way but its the ****tiest thing to do.

That is the most ghetto **** I have ever heard of. I am speaking about properly setting up a car. Not ****ing up the suspension set up.

The UCA's do the worst job of locating the axle and I would never recommend to someone to ever do a TA without a PHB/WL

 

No there isn't. The PHB/WL is what locates the axle. The TA does not do this at all. The UCA's are a garbage design by Ford and have to perform multiple jobs.

I just don't want people recommending a set up with TA and no PHB/WL to people who will go out and buy that set up and have a have assed, bad performing set up.

 

Agreed

.... but is the route some go to try and save some $$$. When people begin to ask suspension questions beyond springs/shocks/struts and talk about LCA's, I recommend the following FIRST when looking to take corners:

1. FLSFC's
2. poly/spherical LCA's
3. Decision time..

What are your ultimate goals for your ride?

Going to PHB or WL and TA is a pretty big commitment, as this generally leads to CO's. So I do my best to steer people away from decisions he/she may come to regret later, such as springs/shocks/struts

Jazzer

 

Well its my DD but i do run at the strip when i have the time. I live literally like 2 minutes from Raceway park. So im looking to start doing suspension for grip. I eventually wanna fully redo the car when i get out of college but for now i just wanna a affordable solid setup. So thts why i just wanna go with the LCAs and SFCs for now. And than later on down the road start repacing and upgrading everything springs/shocks/struts PHB/TA.

 

Not always. Many people will run adjustable lowers with a TA rate spring in the rear. This will still allow corner weighting and provide the correct spring rate.

 

Can i ask why you eventually need coilovers to run the TA/PHB??? Would the adjustable ride height lower control arms from MM do the same thing??? Cus thats what im planning on going with over the winter.

 

Coil-overs aren't needed but most people end up with them.

Running an adjustable LCA will be fine. With a torque arm you will have to run a much stiffer spring and it is easiest to do with coil-overs. You could also run a torque arm spring from MM on the adjustable control arms like I had said in an earlier post.

From what I have read, the UCA's bind and cause a higher rate in the rear suspension. When you remove these and install a TA, you make up for that with the higher rate TA springs. This may not be a completely correct explanation.

 

Do you mean adjustable lowers as in weight-jackers?

Sure, you could do it this way, but the beauty of CO's, beyond corner weighting, is the location of the spring relative to the pivot points of LCA and TA. This allows a softer spring to do the same job as a heavier on in the OEM location. This also allows the wheel to react more quickly to a bump in the road and upset the car to a lesser degree.

Jazzer, with the help of teej and The Jmac, high-jacking a thread again

 

Oh yes, I understand the benefit of the coil-overs. I was just stating that is is possible to do it without them and could cut down the price somewhat on a budgeted built.