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#41
My experience has been that headers only show significant gains when the car is not already tuned to maximum potential before the headers were installed. The stock manifolds flow amazingly well, but if you plan on big boost (the kind that only forged internals can handle), then LTs will begin to show gains.
and like you said, I'm sure at some point you will gain substantial power with exhaust mods, but you're beyond the limits of the stock motor before you get to that point.
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I am a big fan of Kenne Bell, but their PR people are PR people, and I take issue with outright false statements. From the PDF you linked:
"A billet supercharger without heat soaked fins to "trap" the heat dissapates the heat more efficiently and quickly. So it, of course, FEELS HOTTER to the touch. That is a good thing. It is transfering more heat OUT of the supercharger case into the atmosphere. Would you prefer a supercharger that retains more heat for your engine to inhale?"
That is PR spin at its worst. Anyone who has taken 2nd grade science can break it down thusly:
"A billet supercharger without heat soaked fins to "trap" the heat dissapates the heat more efficiently and quickly. So it, of course, FEELS HOTTER to the touch. That is a good thing. It is transfering more heat OUT of the supercharger case into the atmosphere. Would you prefer a supercharger that retains more heat for your engine to inhale?"
That is PR spin at its worst. Anyone who has taken 2nd grade science can break it down thusly:
"A billet supercharger without heat soaked fins to "trap" the heat dissapates the heat more efficiently and quickly."
-A larger surface area will always dissipate heat more efficiently. There are no exceptions to this rule. The fins that you see on supercharger housings are there because they serve their purpose. KB's CNC machined billet looks damn good, but it can't dissipate heat as efficiently as a system with more surface area on its housing.
-A larger surface area will always dissipate heat more efficiently. There are no exceptions to this rule. The fins that you see on supercharger housings are there because they serve their purpose. KB's CNC machined billet looks damn good, but it can't dissipate heat as efficiently as a system with more surface area on its housing.
"So it, of course, FEELS HOTTER to the touch."
-Because it IS hotter. Think of it this way. You have two similar frying pans. One of them is made of cast iron, and the other is stainless. You heat them up to equal temperatures and turn off the fire. After three minutes, you put one hand on each frying pan. The stainless pan has cooled significantly, while the iron pan burns the hell out of you. Would you logically believe that it is because the stainless pan is retaining more heat, preventing it from FEELING HOT, or would you logically believe that it is because the iron pan has retained much more heat? I'll give you a hint, there's only one correct answer.
-Because it IS hotter. Think of it this way. You have two similar frying pans. One of them is made of cast iron, and the other is stainless. You heat them up to equal temperatures and turn off the fire. After three minutes, you put one hand on each frying pan. The stainless pan has cooled significantly, while the iron pan burns the hell out of you. Would you logically believe that it is because the stainless pan is retaining more heat, preventing it from FEELING HOT, or would you logically believe that it is because the iron pan has retained much more heat? I'll give you a hint, there's only one correct answer.
"It is transfering more heat OUT of the supercharger case into the atmosphere."
-Back to the frying pan example. Either KB has a really uneducated PR department, or they are trying to put a positive spin on one of the only negative aspects of an otherwise excellent system. I don't like it when advertising is disingenuous, and this most certainly is.
"Would you prefer a supercharger that retains more heat for your engine to inhale?"
-I would definitely prefer a supercharger that does NOT, which is why I chose the whipple.
I'm not trying to beat up on the KB. It IS an excellent system for an excellent price, but every system has its issues. To try and cover them up or pretend that they don't exist is morally reprehensible. I've seen many supercharged S197s at the track, and the KBs are consistently more subject to heat soak than other applications. I also have a problem with KB insinuating that other manufacturers use substandard materials for their rotor housing. I'm yet to see a supercharger failure due to poorly constructed rotor housing, but if it has happened, I'll eat crow on that point without complaining.
Please don't think I'm trying to start a flame war. I've installed KB kits, I've got friends who run KB kits, and I truly like the kit myself. I'm just turned off by the PR spin from the KB camp.
-Back to the frying pan example. Either KB has a really uneducated PR department, or they are trying to put a positive spin on one of the only negative aspects of an otherwise excellent system. I don't like it when advertising is disingenuous, and this most certainly is.
"Would you prefer a supercharger that retains more heat for your engine to inhale?"
-I would definitely prefer a supercharger that does NOT, which is why I chose the whipple.
I'm not trying to beat up on the KB. It IS an excellent system for an excellent price, but every system has its issues. To try and cover them up or pretend that they don't exist is morally reprehensible. I've seen many supercharged S197s at the track, and the KBs are consistently more subject to heat soak than other applications. I also have a problem with KB insinuating that other manufacturers use substandard materials for their rotor housing. I'm yet to see a supercharger failure due to poorly constructed rotor housing, but if it has happened, I'll eat crow on that point without complaining.
Please don't think I'm trying to start a flame war. I've installed KB kits, I've got friends who run KB kits, and I truly like the kit myself. I'm just turned off by the PR spin from the KB camp.
Look at it this way: Take two people that buy identical S197's. They both customize the heck out of their cars, and each takes a different route. One guy puts better quality materials into his car, but does all the labor himself. The other guy goes with more common materials, but has a shop do the labor. In the end they both spent the same amount of money within a small margin, and they both run the same at the track, so which one is better? The answer is, it's all in how you judge it.
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