Forged internals? Help
02-28-2013, 08:43 PM
#11
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JDM has their assembly on sale right now. http://www.teamjdm.com/4-6l-3-valve-...e-rebuild-kit/ Good price for a nice kit. You would need to have your block machined and the assembly balanced but that's about it, as far as the shortblock goes.
Earl
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02-28-2013, 09:40 PM
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They are mainly going lower compression to counter detonation, which is mainly to be able to run higher boost on lower octane. The downside is that it takes higher boost to make the same power, for instance assuming you are running 12lbs @ 9.8:1 compression, you would theoretically need 13.84LBS @ 8.5:1 compression to make the same power (that's the point at which you are moving the same amount of air and fuel at the 2 compression levels). This assumes the temps are equal, which the lower compression will be slightly lower and you will be able to run more aggressive timing making up for some of that compression loss.
The alternate is to lower the temperature of the boost charge by intercooler and/or water-methanol injection in which case detonation is less likely at the 9.8 compression... or increase the octane by using race gas or E85.
03-01-2013, 09:58 PM
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Firstly, there is no cheap way of getting 600 HP from a 3 Valve or everyone would do it!
I have a similar goal and am currently assembling a new engine. I elected to go with a built forged short block for a couple of reason; firstly keep the OEM intact for a spare and secondly I was not aware of a local machine shop that had a solid reputation and experience with building a 3V. While this list of parts is specific to my build it will give you an idea of what is required. And yes of course do not forget the fuel system.
• FRPP 4.6 Liter Aluminator Short Block 9.8:1 Compression Ratio, M-6009A463V – Inventory
• FRPP 4.6 Liter 3V Performance Intake Manifold, M-9424-463V – Inventory
• FRPP 4.6 Liter 3V 62mm Billet Throttle Body, M-9926-3V – Installed
• FRPP High Flow Fuel Injectors, Flow Rate 60 lbs/hr @ 39.15 PSL, M-9593-LU60 - Inventory
• FRPP CNC Ported 3V Cylinder Heads , M-6050-463VP3 (LH) and M-6049-463VP3 (RH) - Inventory
• FRPP 4.6L 3-Valve Cam Phaser Limiter Kit - Inventory
• FRPP Performance Head Gaskets, M-6067-3V46 - Inventory
• FRPP High Performance Oil Filter, M-6731-FL820 – Inventory
• FRPP 3V Header Gaskets, M-9448-A463V - Inventory
• ARP 4.6L 3-Valve Head Studs, 256-4202 - Inventory
• Moroso Performance Parts Ford Modular 7qt Capacity, 6 ½” Deep Sump Oil Pan, 20548 – Inventory
• Canton 4.6L / 5.4L Oil Pan Stud Kit, CAN22-364 – Inventory
• Ford OEM Oil Pan Gasket, 3L3Z-6720-AA - Inventory
• TSS 3V/GT500 Oil Pump Assembly w/ Billet Gears - Inventory
• Vortech 6 Rib Supercharger Pulley (2.87”), 2A036-287 – On Order
• Comp Cams XFI™ SPR Ford 4.6L/5.4L Modular 3V Cams (Springs and Phaser Modifications Required), 127550 – Inventory
• Freedom Racing Tool & Die 3V Valve Spring Compressor, FR-303-1039-TD
• FRPP 4.6L 3C Camshaft Drive Kit, M-6004-463V – Inventory
• Ford OEM Cam Phaser Bolts, 2 @ 3L3Z-6279-DA - Inventory
• Ford OEM VCT Housing Gaskets - 3L3Z-6C285-AA Right Hand and 3L3Z-6C286-EA Left Hand - Inventory
• Ford OEM 2 Valve Steel Bodied Tensioners, F6AZ-6L266-DA Right Hand and F6AZ-6L266-CA Left Hand - Inventory
• Ford OEM Timing Cover Gaskets, 4R3Z-6020-BE, 4R3Z-6020-DB, 4R3Z-6020-EB - Inventory
• ATI Harmonic Balancer – ATI Super Damper Serpentine Series, 918039 – Inventory
• ARP Harmonic Damper Bolt M12 x 1.50 x 53mm, 206-1001 – Inventory
• Ford OEM Crankshaft Key, FLAZ-6B316-AA – Inventory
• Ford OEM Front Oil Seal, XW4Z-6700-AA - Inventory
• PRW SFI 3V 8-Bolt Flexplate - PRW Platinum Series SFI-Rated Steel Flexplate, 1828111 – Inventory
• ARP Flexplate Bolts (8), M10 x 1.00 (UHL .800), 254-2901 – Inventory
• UPR Billet 3 Bolt Tensioner and Custom Billet 76mm Tensioner Pulley - UPR 3030-02 and Carmen Goudey S197 76mm Pulley - Installed
• ARH Mustang 3V 2005-2010 Stainless Steel Headers1 ¾” Primaries w/Catted X-Pipe, MST0634WC - Installed
• Mangnaflow Ford Mustang GT, Shelby GT500 3 inch Cat Back Exhaust, 16674 - Installed
• Stage 8 Stage 8 Locking Header Bolt System 8mm, 1.25x22mm, 8906M – Inventory
• Circle D Specialties 5R55 Multi Disk 245mm 3000 Stall Performance Torque Converter - Inventory
• Performance Automatic 5R55 Deep Aluminum Pan and Filler Tube Set , PA27455KT – Installed
• Performance Automatic Hardened Transmission Input Shaft for Ford 5R55S, PA27406 – Inventory
• TCI Auto StreetFighter Ratchet Automatic Shifter, 619570 – Installed
• TCI Auto Hi Performance Transmission Servo Kit, 3rd Gear Servo Kit, 576005 – Inventory
• TCI Auto Hi Performance Transmission Servo Kits, 4th Gear Servo Kit, 576006 – Inventory
• Canton Racing Products Automatic Transmission Expansion Tank, 45-000 – Inventory
• B&M Racing and Performance Products Hi-Tek Transmission Cooling System, 70297 - Inventory
• Hypertech Power Stat 160 Degree Thermostat Mustang GT (05-09), HYP1011 - Inventory
• Metco Motorsports Four Piece Idler Pulley Set, MIP-2005 – Inventory
• Meziere Enterprises 55gpm Electric Water Pump, WP346S – Inventory
• Meziere Enterprises Electric Water Pump Relay Kit, WIK346 – Inventory
• AFCO 2005-2010 Mustang GT Performance Aluminum Radiator, AFC-81281-S-NA-N – Inventory
• AFCO Dual Pass Heat Exchanger with Dual Fans, 80280PRO – Inventory
• Painless Performance Products Auxiliary Fuse Block with 7 Circuits, 70107 – Inventory
• Trick Flow Specialties Adjustable Crank Sprockets, TFS-51800505 – Inventory
• Trick Flow Specialties Cam Degree Kit, TFS-90000 – Inventory
• Trick Flow Specialties Cam Degree Supplemental Kit, TFS-90100 – Inventory
• Ford OEM Cam Followers (24), 3L3Z-6564-BA – Inventory
• Ford OEM Lash Adjusters (24), 5L1Z-6500-A – Inventory
Good luck!
I have a similar goal and am currently assembling a new engine. I elected to go with a built forged short block for a couple of reason; firstly keep the OEM intact for a spare and secondly I was not aware of a local machine shop that had a solid reputation and experience with building a 3V. While this list of parts is specific to my build it will give you an idea of what is required. And yes of course do not forget the fuel system.
• FRPP 4.6 Liter Aluminator Short Block 9.8:1 Compression Ratio, M-6009A463V – Inventory
• FRPP 4.6 Liter 3V Performance Intake Manifold, M-9424-463V – Inventory
• FRPP 4.6 Liter 3V 62mm Billet Throttle Body, M-9926-3V – Installed
• FRPP High Flow Fuel Injectors, Flow Rate 60 lbs/hr @ 39.15 PSL, M-9593-LU60 - Inventory
• FRPP CNC Ported 3V Cylinder Heads , M-6050-463VP3 (LH) and M-6049-463VP3 (RH) - Inventory
• FRPP 4.6L 3-Valve Cam Phaser Limiter Kit - Inventory
• FRPP Performance Head Gaskets, M-6067-3V46 - Inventory
• FRPP High Performance Oil Filter, M-6731-FL820 – Inventory
• FRPP 3V Header Gaskets, M-9448-A463V - Inventory
• ARP 4.6L 3-Valve Head Studs, 256-4202 - Inventory
• Moroso Performance Parts Ford Modular 7qt Capacity, 6 ½” Deep Sump Oil Pan, 20548 – Inventory
• Canton 4.6L / 5.4L Oil Pan Stud Kit, CAN22-364 – Inventory
• Ford OEM Oil Pan Gasket, 3L3Z-6720-AA - Inventory
• TSS 3V/GT500 Oil Pump Assembly w/ Billet Gears - Inventory
• Vortech 6 Rib Supercharger Pulley (2.87”), 2A036-287 – On Order
• Comp Cams XFI™ SPR Ford 4.6L/5.4L Modular 3V Cams (Springs and Phaser Modifications Required), 127550 – Inventory
• Freedom Racing Tool & Die 3V Valve Spring Compressor, FR-303-1039-TD
• FRPP 4.6L 3C Camshaft Drive Kit, M-6004-463V – Inventory
• Ford OEM Cam Phaser Bolts, 2 @ 3L3Z-6279-DA - Inventory
• Ford OEM VCT Housing Gaskets - 3L3Z-6C285-AA Right Hand and 3L3Z-6C286-EA Left Hand - Inventory
• Ford OEM 2 Valve Steel Bodied Tensioners, F6AZ-6L266-DA Right Hand and F6AZ-6L266-CA Left Hand - Inventory
• Ford OEM Timing Cover Gaskets, 4R3Z-6020-BE, 4R3Z-6020-DB, 4R3Z-6020-EB - Inventory
• ATI Harmonic Balancer – ATI Super Damper Serpentine Series, 918039 – Inventory
• ARP Harmonic Damper Bolt M12 x 1.50 x 53mm, 206-1001 – Inventory
• Ford OEM Crankshaft Key, FLAZ-6B316-AA – Inventory
• Ford OEM Front Oil Seal, XW4Z-6700-AA - Inventory
• PRW SFI 3V 8-Bolt Flexplate - PRW Platinum Series SFI-Rated Steel Flexplate, 1828111 – Inventory
• ARP Flexplate Bolts (8), M10 x 1.00 (UHL .800), 254-2901 – Inventory
• UPR Billet 3 Bolt Tensioner and Custom Billet 76mm Tensioner Pulley - UPR 3030-02 and Carmen Goudey S197 76mm Pulley - Installed
• ARH Mustang 3V 2005-2010 Stainless Steel Headers1 ¾” Primaries w/Catted X-Pipe, MST0634WC - Installed
• Mangnaflow Ford Mustang GT, Shelby GT500 3 inch Cat Back Exhaust, 16674 - Installed
• Stage 8 Stage 8 Locking Header Bolt System 8mm, 1.25x22mm, 8906M – Inventory
• Circle D Specialties 5R55 Multi Disk 245mm 3000 Stall Performance Torque Converter - Inventory
• Performance Automatic 5R55 Deep Aluminum Pan and Filler Tube Set , PA27455KT – Installed
• Performance Automatic Hardened Transmission Input Shaft for Ford 5R55S, PA27406 – Inventory
• TCI Auto StreetFighter Ratchet Automatic Shifter, 619570 – Installed
• TCI Auto Hi Performance Transmission Servo Kit, 3rd Gear Servo Kit, 576005 – Inventory
• TCI Auto Hi Performance Transmission Servo Kits, 4th Gear Servo Kit, 576006 – Inventory
• Canton Racing Products Automatic Transmission Expansion Tank, 45-000 – Inventory
• B&M Racing and Performance Products Hi-Tek Transmission Cooling System, 70297 - Inventory
• Hypertech Power Stat 160 Degree Thermostat Mustang GT (05-09), HYP1011 - Inventory
• Metco Motorsports Four Piece Idler Pulley Set, MIP-2005 – Inventory
• Meziere Enterprises 55gpm Electric Water Pump, WP346S – Inventory
• Meziere Enterprises Electric Water Pump Relay Kit, WIK346 – Inventory
• AFCO 2005-2010 Mustang GT Performance Aluminum Radiator, AFC-81281-S-NA-N – Inventory
• AFCO Dual Pass Heat Exchanger with Dual Fans, 80280PRO – Inventory
• Painless Performance Products Auxiliary Fuse Block with 7 Circuits, 70107 – Inventory
• Trick Flow Specialties Adjustable Crank Sprockets, TFS-51800505 – Inventory
• Trick Flow Specialties Cam Degree Kit, TFS-90000 – Inventory
• Trick Flow Specialties Cam Degree Supplemental Kit, TFS-90100 – Inventory
• Ford OEM Cam Followers (24), 3L3Z-6564-BA – Inventory
• Ford OEM Lash Adjusters (24), 5L1Z-6500-A – Inventory
Good luck!
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