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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 06:40 PM
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My windsor is bored .040 over. The machine shop that professionally builds race engines and all types of engines in general say that the overheating after .030 over is a myth. They bore to .060 over all the time without any problems and with full confidence. I trust people that were currently rebuilding a damaged hemi block (440 I believe)
Time to get a new shop.
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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 09:33 PM
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My 200 is bored .040 over. It was rebuilt and then bored. Personally i would think .060 is alittle much.
Old Aug 17, 2007 | 09:43 PM
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while i agree that taking out more than you need to is stupid (your shortening the service life of the block), i wouldnt feel bad at all about .040 or even .060 on anything older. maybe some of the later model blocks cause everything seems to be thinner, but the older stuff i say game on.

and btw your not overheating cause the motor is .020 or .030 or w/e it is over, your overheating cause your cooling system isnt doing its job, or needs to be improved.
Old Aug 17, 2007 | 10:02 PM
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A good set of aftermarket heads solve a lot of the shrouding problems associated with stock heads. I prefer to keep the boring to an absolute minimum, just enough to clean the cylinder up if it's needed.
Agreed,,,, a block is a terrible thing to waste!!
Old Aug 17, 2007 | 10:10 PM
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while i agree that taking out more than you need to is stupid (your shortening the service life of the block), i wouldnt feel bad at all about .040 or even .060 on anything older. maybe some of the later model blocks cause everything seems to be thinner, but the older stuff i say game on.

and btw your not overheating cause the motor is .020 or .030 or w/e it is over, your overheating cause your cooling system isnt doing its job, or needs to be improved.
I really don't understand how thinner cylinders create overheat issues anyway,,,, as far as I know, whatever heat enters one side of a casting (combustion side) must be drawn away from the other side (water jacket side),,, heat in, heat out.... IMO, no matter how thick the cylinders, their use as a "heat sink" is extremly limited... to the point of being all but moot..

I could see thinner cylinders contibuting to uneven expansion and cylinder distortion when hot,,, but I can not see issues with increased overheating....
Old Aug 17, 2007 | 10:22 PM
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Do you know how an aspirin cures a headache? All you need to know is the results. I don't know the how or the why a bored small block Ford generates more heat. I don't care. It happens, and I react accordingly - a larger radiator up to 0.030, andthe dump after that.
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Old Aug 17, 2007 | 10:50 PM
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yeah, asprin thins you blood - which is how it works
Old Aug 17, 2007 | 10:54 PM
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Overheating might be due to higher compression. Boring the cylinder will raise the compression ratio, all things being equal.

I've read that .040 is the maximum recommended overbore on a Ford small block but you can probably get away with .060.
Old Aug 18, 2007 | 12:04 AM
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Overheating might be due to higher compression. Boring the cylinder will raise the compression ratio, all things being equal.

I've read that .040 is the maximum recommended overbore on a Ford small block but you can probably get away with .060.
Well, considering that the stroke is unchanged so the compression ratio change is directly proportional to the ratio of the square of the bores. If I didn't screw up, assuming 10:1 at 4.00", at 4.040" I think the CR would be about 10*(4.040^2) /4x4 = 10.2:1. I may be missing something, but I don't think the CR change is dramatically different as a result ... or maybe I screwed the whole thing up.
Old Aug 18, 2007 | 03:45 AM
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I'm at .040 on mine and have no heating issues. But it's also running a heavier duty 3 core radiator. Even with the fan turning slow from the underdrive pullies at idle, sitting in traffic in Bakersfield when it's 110+ outside, it doesn't overheat. Or when I go down the track. I doubt the stock radiator would be able to cope, but then the engine isnowhere near stock either



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