BillyBob is correct on both counts..

I wasnt bashing you, and not really pointing fingers at andrew either, simply pointing out its better to give good info or none at all. Asking a question is cool, but wouldnt you rather have correct info than having someone guess, or parrot what they heard with now real knowledge of what is factual? I never rip on someone for asking a question, but answering one with info that could cost someone to lose a substantial amount of money really gets my ire going. Incorrect info seems more prevalent in the Mustang world for some reason, must be due to the fact that Ford changed stuff all the time, in mid year, and doesnt really fit the mold set by car magazines who loved the small chevy.

Unless you have the engine managementsystem on the engine that had the AODE behind it, it isnt going to work. The computer needs input from the engine, from things like the throttle position sensor and MAP sensor to know when to shift. The "E" part means electronic, and the only stand alone computer system that might work would be from a diesel. The GM guys retrofitting 4L80E transmissions into older cars are using either an aftermarket controller or a diesel van setup. Nothing else will work to make an "E" trans work.

 

First on the puter, An ECCIV EFI computer, doesnt have the functions to run a AODE, So Puters up to 93 are out. ECCIV is the better Ford EFI system to adapt into your Mustang, read up @ fordfuelinjection.com
A 94-up ECCV EFI puter can run EFI & tranny as a system, not for Tranny stand alone, so they're out.
AODE/4R70W's should use an electronic controler, made for them, as the Ford EFI puter is not readily addaptable to that function. There are several, like TCI makes one. The Baumann is the least expensive, & so far the others havent proved to be better. The TPS & RPM senses are used by the tranny puter, not by the tranny itself.
AOD vs AODE/4R70W; The wide ratio gear set is the thing you want! Buying a built AOD to get it can cost $1500+, at one shot. A low milage 4R70W can be had for $250ish, and the Baumann TCS controler & harness is $550. Later the E tranny can be added to w/shift kit, spreading cost out.
If you are replacing an AOD with an E tranny, AOD trans mount cooling lines, flex plate all can be reused(or used in a new install) So the swap can be a bolt in. Mine was, but that doesnt mean everyone will have the same results. E trannys are an inch longer than AOD's. The extra room was made in mine by loosening the engine mounts, an sliding the engine forward the inch. I'm using an aluminum radiator & serpentine accessory drive. No problem with rad & fan interferance. Another set up may require changes to accomodate the engine movement.

 

Thats good info.. The Cougar might get a 4R70W... That sounds like a decent and inexpensive way to go, especially since you dont have to contend with the TV cable adjustment. Do you have a link for Baumann?

 

Links that can be very helpfull, lotsa info on both AOD & E trannys
http://www.becontrols.com/
http://tccoa.com/articles/tranny/index.html#
I'm going to post on the net an article add to "Project overdrive" http://www.blueriver.net/~finite/project_od.htm showing some things that can be done easier. Before too long.
http://www.ford-aod.com/#Performance%20Parts
http://www.network54.com/Forum/260730/

 

Thanks for the links.

 

Alright, now we're getting somewhere.

As a bit of background for my situation, I've got an 89 5.0L in my 69 Mustang. It still has all the stock MAF EEC-IV system on it except for the smog equipment. I'm still in the process of rebuilding the wiring harness for the ECM so the project isn't finished yet. But I'm not too far off, either.

What really got me interested in this AODE thing is when I read this:

"To use the Mustang EEC on a truck with an E4OD/AODE, you would need to run two
EECs in parallel. The Mustang EEC runs the engine, the existing truck EEC
controls the trans. Pro-M sells a kit like this."

It's from an article compiled by Tom Cloud on the workings of the EEC IV systems. The statement was part of a paragraph on replacing the SD setup on trucks with MAF. But it got me wondering about the junkyard controller... Something where I keep my EEC-IV computer for the engine but also have an additional computer (the junkyard controller) to control the transmission. It would have all the sensor inputs from the EEC-IV but none of the engine control actuators so it wouldn't really be controlling the EFI. This is all good if the sensors are compatible (same resistances, frequency output, etc.) but not so great if the sensors are different or if the transmission ecm needs an input I don't have (like a MAP sensor or crank sensor). A lot depends on knowing exactly what inputs the ECM needs to control the transmission and what it will take to supply the inputs from sensors I don't already have.

What's appealing about this is the DIY aspect plus if I could save the retail cost of the controller then it would be a pretty inexpensive upgrade. I have a pretty decent electronics background, I used to calibrate and repair test equipment like spectrum analyzers and oscilloscopes, so maybe I can get something worked out. It would be cool to put together a kit for a DIY AODE controller.

Thumpin: I appreciate that you want to prevent misinformation, it also bothers me to see that kind of thing. I just thought you were being a jerk. I'm glad to see I was mistaken. Anyway, I have heard before that some of the ford diesel trucks had a separate transmission controllers. Do you know any more about them?

Mr. Classic EFI: do you have what years and models came with the transmission that will bolt to the 302 and fit in the Mustang? As for the crossmember, here is the one I have on my AOD:



It looks like the there is lots of room to move the mount back. Are the two studs on the AODE mount the same distance apart as on the AOD? Thanks for the links, looks like it's time for me to do more reading and less yapping about this.

 

I've been wondering if the engine would need to be moved with that Tranny mount. Plenty on room to handle the 1in of extra length.
4R70W donor=1998-2002 V-6 Mustang. Then swap the AOD rear extension case onto the 4R70W, thats how you make a AODE/W. Rear case, where the trans mount bolts to the Tranny, are identical, except for slip yoke tube OD.
Benefit of case swap? Youcan then use a T-5 slip yoke, much better than the regular C-4 to AOD or E(4R70)yokes

 

Here's a photo of a C-4 slip yoke on the left(AOD yoke differs only in being shorter) and a T-5 yoke on the right. Kinda easy to see wich will handle the most stress.
Both fit the same applications, and have the same OD on the tube.

 

"EFI", a post about the difference in the OD trannys would be of great help. I tihnk too often people think they all are one in the same. For me, I try to aviod the E4's, and keep it simple.Good info you have given.

 

I agree, the E4's arent sitable to the Mustangs. when I say E trannys, I'm only speaking of the electrically controled AOD derivatives, AODE/4R70W.