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Old Apr 16, 2010 | 09:57 PM
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After I installed a roller idler in my 67, I did notice a little bit of reduction in the return-to-center function of the steering, especially at lower speeds. You can compensate for most of it with increased caster (I run 4.2*), but it's still there in my car. At 15mph, I can crank the wheel 1/4 turn and it will stay put. At freeway speed, slight road variations are more likely to result in changes in direction without a grip on the wheel. If you have slop in the steering, this effect will be increased.

The tradeoff is vastly improved steering feedback, especially at higher speeds. I feel much more connected with the tires now. Steering effort is also slightly reduced.

I wouldn't put a roller idler on a car for my gf, but I like it in mine. I honestly don't notice it anymore after driving it for a few months. It's one of those things your mind automatically compensates for after a while. Keep your hands on the wheel and it's not a problem.

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Old Apr 17, 2010 | 01:28 AM
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Pooty,

So that you know. The main benefit of the aftermarket control arms isn't the roller bushing or spherical heim joint, it's the negative roll that aids handling the most.
Old Apr 17, 2010 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pootypeters
Opentracker, I'm glad to see you on here. I was going to email you at your website but in case you see this post maybe you could give me a little more advice. When installing adjustable strut rods on a 66, do you have to also install lower control arms with the spherical bearing inside pivot? This will be the first time I work on my suspension (other than springs and shocks) so I am still learning. Does the spherical bearing inside pivot vs. stock rubber bushing design allow the LCA to rotate at the spot where it is mounted to the car??? When installing the adjustable strut rods, do you have to modify the frame of the car at all? My car is definitely not a track car but I do like to have fun with it on the streets and the idea of being able to adjust the camber without the hassle of shims is nice too. I have real bad "bump steer" currently and I was hoping that an entire suspension and steering rebuild would help mitigate this. Most likely going to drop the UCA's as well.

As far as the roller idler arm goes, I've heard that you lose that effect of the steering wheel snapping back into place following cornering. I don't know how I would like that.
You do not have to use the roller lower arm with the adjustable strut rods though it is a good idea. The reason why is if you pull the lower arm forward a lot, it puts bind on the inside bushing. That can over stress the bushing in the lower arm, cause premature wear and can crack the mounting point in the chassis. The spherical bearing does allowe the arm to move freely in any direction.

It is far better to move the upper ball joint backwards to get more caster. You can do that by offsetting the upper arm shaft kits and by adding washers/spacers under the front bolt of the arm, even if you use the lower arm camber kits. Also, pulling the lower arm forward brings the tire closer to the front of the front fender causing a rub issue. Most of the adjustable strut rods are a bolt in deal. No frame mods are required.

What you feel as bump steer might be from the alignment settings. If any early Mustang is set to factory settings, it won't drive well. They didn't put enough caster in the cars and that makes them wonder over bumps. The return to center is done by the caster angle more than the idler arm. The factory settings had up to 1deg. of positive caster. We put 2deg. or more of positive caster in all of our cars. That gives the cars stability at speed and return to center around corners. We use these alignment settings on all of our street cars.

0 - Camber

2deg. positive caster

1/8" toe-in

The camber and caster should be the same on both sides. We do not set the cars for road crown.

The 1" upper arm drop is a good idea if you don't mind drilling holes in the car. The upper arm drop changes the camber curve to give the car more grip. It can also give you better tire wear if you like going around corners.
Old Apr 17, 2010 | 05:50 PM
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Are these alignment specs applicable to 71-73 stangs?
Old Apr 17, 2010 | 06:47 PM
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Sure are. We have used them on several 71-73 Mustangs. I used them on our 68 Ranchero and it drives great. My 64 Falcon Sprint has the same settings.

Sometimes on the power steering cars we will go with 3deg. of positive caster. Using that much caster on a manual steer car can make them hard to steer at low speeds. It helps with the feel of the cars at speed with power steering.

With the camber, we start at 0 so the tire sits flat to the ground. If we start seeing outer edge wear from hard cornering, we'll add some negative camber ( top of tire inward ) to the cars. You don't ever want any positive camber ( top of tire outward ).
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