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Old Aug 13, 2006 | 03:29 PM
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396 at the wheels on a mustang dyno. Here are my mods.


- Painted stripes with painted mirrors and louvers
- Painted Gauge pod/ Boost Gauge/Air fuel/Oil pressure
- Torque H/P Conv.
- M-4209 Gear 4.30- Hood Pins
- Magnapack Exhaust- Steeda Springs
- Carbon Fiber Dash kit
- 4FU218-020SQ Vortech 08 PSI
-Predator-Final lap tune

Patrick


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How much HP are you putting down with 8PSI?

~Fred
Old Aug 13, 2006 | 03:46 PM
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If you want to add a 50-75 shot, you should be fine. TUNE - TUNE - TUNE!!! It is very important to get a good tune. With a good tune, you should be able to get pretty high. A friend of mine has got his 05 GT up to 600 HP (engine is stock). He's been running like that for about 5 months. As long as you have a good...great tune, you will be fine.

~Fred
Old Aug 13, 2006 | 08:53 PM
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As was mentioned before superchargers reduces mpg, due to parasitic loss, just like the water pump, alternator, power steering, and any other device driven by the motor with a belt. When your are not using the supercharger, as evident by 0 boost you are not reducing your mpg.

When you do get into the boost of a supercharger you are NOT using any more fuel then you might with N20. A supercharger and N20 both do the same thing, generally speaking, in that they pack more oxygen into the cylinder allow you to use more fuel. More fuel and oxygen per combustion cycle equals MORE horsepower as well as LESS mpg.

I would say a supercharger is safer to use and much easier on the internals then N20. If you’re using a standard N20 system it is usually a big jolt to the internals when it’s first sprayed and generally you will see a very lean condition for milliseconds when first energized, also known as lean out condition.

If you want to be safe with N20 ALWAYS go with a wet system and look into some of the “progressive†systems on the market. A progressive system progressively feeds the N20 rather then one big dump of N20. That equals more usable power and greatly helps maintain the internals as well as eliminate any possible lean condition on first activation of N20.

True professional tuners will REQUIRE you to tune on their dyno prior to selling you a program. Any tuner that is willing to sale a N20 program foregoing the dyno is NOT professional because they DO NOT care about your vehicle. Every vehicle is different and no two vehicles will ever react the same to a program. Since “lean out†is VERY REAL for an N20 application AND the A/F ratio is EXTREAMLY important during an N20 application you can ONLY tune for those conditions and know you’re safe by using a dyno.

N20, superchargers, turbo’s and any other power adder is NOT cheating regardless if you tell the other guy you have it or not. Once you modify a vehicle you can NOT claim that vehicle can beat another vehicle by brand. For example if you modify a Mustang and it beats a stock or modified Camaro you can’t claim that a Mustang can beat a Camaro but rather YOUR Mustang beat the other specific Camaro. Once you modify the game is over because MORE money will always win regardless what you’re modifying. If you have enough money you can modify a KIA to kick the crap out of the Shelby modified or not.

N20 is an excellent power adder with the right precautions to make it safe…
Old Aug 13, 2006 | 10:10 PM
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Nitrous Oxide, or N2O, is two parts nitrous and one part oxygen. Commonly referred to as funny gas (for it’s use as laughing gas during medical operations), the injection of nitrous oxide into an engine causes the compound to split into nitrous and oxygen, allowing for more oxygen to be used during engine combustion. With more oxygen, you can and must add more fuel, which creates an instant boost of power. Nitrous oxide is one of the cheapest and easiest ways to provide a quick gain of power to any engine.

Nitrous not only provides a large power gain, but when nitrous is injected into the intake of the vehicle, it cools the air coming into the engine. Common physics tell us, that when you cool the air, the density increases, and even more oxygen can make it to the cylinder.

Very plain and simple, with a proper tune, nitrous oxide is very safe. Nitrous oxide causes an increase in cylinder pressure, and anytime you do that, you increase the engine’s predisposition to detonation. This is why nitrous powered motors require retarded spark timing. However, nitrous is no more harmful to your engine then any other major power add-on. Too much supercharger boost, low octane fuel, excessive compression ratio, large turbo PSI, or overly lean air-fuel ratio will also cause the same kinds of damage.

The hardest thing with getting nitrous to work properly, is achieving a perfect air/fuel ratio. If you have too much oxygen and not enough fuel, it will cause the engine to “lean†out and increase your chance of detonation. Adding too much fuel will cause your engine to run rich, and will drastically reduce your power gain.

Nitrous oxide is like any other major power add-on. If you use it properly, it works just as well as a turbo or supercharger. When used stupidly, it could cause thousands of dollars in damage and a huge headache. Make sure that the kit is properly installed and that the car is professionally tuned on a Dyno.

A properly used shot of nitrous will give you a 35-35% increase in power on stock engines. Anything past this is too much power for a stock engine to handle, and could cause durability issues. Take our stock GT engines, up the horsepower to 450hp and do nothing to improve durability and your engine will eventually suffer. However, any add-on will affect the engine past the 450hp mark.
Old Aug 14, 2006 | 01:10 AM
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The new Zex system was specially designed for the 05/ 06 GT safe gaurds were built into the system, go to there web site and read about it. However I'm still going to have Brenspeed do the install and a dyno tune. As most everyone states its very safe if the tune and install is correct.
Old Aug 15, 2006 | 04:21 AM
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To be completly honest, the Zex kit offers nothing different then any other kit. All kits offer those saftey features, and most companys make kits for our cars, Zex just happens to be the most expensive and the best at advertising their "state-of-the-art" saftey features.

~Fred
Old Aug 15, 2006 | 04:28 PM
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Don't want to start a whole new thread , I just would like to know if anyone has burnt there plugs using the 100 shot I know anything over that you will, but I heard the 100 you might.
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