Wont start, not battery!
01-22-2008, 08:06 PM
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RE: Wont start, not battery!
Nothing extra is feeding off the relay, bone stock. I better figure it out because I bought another fuse and it was $4.49[:@]
ORIGINAL: modaddict
Ditto. If it keeps blowing then it's either the relay is not making good contact or perhaps you have overloaded the relay. Do you have any other mods that are tied into that relay?
Example - on my car I had a similar issue and it turned out to be I had two many things feeding off of one relay and it fried it. I'd change a fuse and it would blow within 15 minutes. I took the fuse panel box a part and noticed the actual connectors were burned from the relay being overloaded. I ended up replacing the connecting circuit and then rewired another relay for a few of my things (spark-a-boost, intercooler pump, & radiator fans)
It was a PIA for a couple days for me to figure it out. You probably don't have it overloaded but I'm just throwing it out there. My guess is it is a simple matter of the relay not making full connection. (contact)
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ok, my thought is:
if Fuse 4 keeps blowing, then either the relay is
not making good contact when it engages (arcing), or the
starter motor is drawing too much current (amperage).
also, like dex said, there could be a wiring problem.
ok, my thought is:
if Fuse 4 keeps blowing, then either the relay is
not making good contact when it engages (arcing), or the
starter motor is drawing too much current (amperage).
also, like dex said, there could be a wiring problem.
Example - on my car I had a similar issue and it turned out to be I had two many things feeding off of one relay and it fried it. I'd change a fuse and it would blow within 15 minutes. I took the fuse panel box a part and noticed the actual connectors were burned from the relay being overloaded. I ended up replacing the connecting circuit and then rewired another relay for a few of my things (spark-a-boost, intercooler pump, & radiator fans)
It was a PIA for a couple days for me to figure it out. You probably don't have it overloaded but I'm just throwing it out there. My guess is it is a simple matter of the relay not making full connection. (contact)
01-22-2008, 08:07 PM
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RE: Wont start, not battery!
I just want to see if it is something simple that I can fix before I have to take a day off work to take it in for warrenty
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My guess is the starter is toast. It is shorting internally..
My guess is the starter is toast. It is shorting internally..
01-23-2008, 10:23 AM
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RE: Wont start, not battery!
Thankfully you have a manny and were able to push start it. It would have stunk if you were stranded waiting for Ford Roadside assist. Please share with us what caused it; this makes me nervous.
01-23-2008, 12:52 PM
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RE: Wont start, not battery!
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Nothing extra is feeding off the relay, bone stock. I better figure it out because I bought another fuse and it was $4.49[:@]
Nothing extra is feeding off the relay, bone stock. I better figure it out because I bought another fuse and it was $4.49[:@]
ORIGINAL: modaddict
Ditto. If it keeps blowing then it's either the relay is not making good contact or perhaps you have overloaded the relay. Do you have any other mods that are tied into that relay?
Example - on my car I had a similar issue and it turned out to be I had two many things feeding off of one relay and it fried it. I'd change a fuse and it would blow within 15 minutes. I took the fuse panel box a part and noticed the actual connectors were burned from the relay being overloaded. I ended up replacing the connecting circuit and then rewired another relay for a few of my things (spark-a-boost, intercooler pump, & radiator fans)
It was a PIA for a couple days for me to figure it out. You probably don't have it overloaded but I'm just throwing it out there. My guess is it is a simple matter of the relay not making full connection. (contact)
ORIGINAL: hammeron
ok, my thought is:
if Fuse 4 keeps blowing, then either the relay is
not making good contact when it engages (arcing), or the
starter motor is drawing too much current (amperage).
also, like dex said, there could be a wiring problem.
ok, my thought is:
if Fuse 4 keeps blowing, then either the relay is
not making good contact when it engages (arcing), or the
starter motor is drawing too much current (amperage).
also, like dex said, there could be a wiring problem.
Example - on my car I had a similar issue and it turned out to be I had two many things feeding off of one relay and it fried it. I'd change a fuse and it would blow within 15 minutes. I took the fuse panel box a part and noticed the actual connectors were burned from the relay being overloaded. I ended up replacing the connecting circuit and then rewired another relay for a few of my things (spark-a-boost, intercooler pump, & radiator fans)
It was a PIA for a couple days for me to figure it out. You probably don't have it overloaded but I'm just throwing it out there. My guess is it is a simple matter of the relay not making full connection. (contact)
BTW: What friggin' fuses are you buying for 4.99 each?????
01-23-2008, 08:30 PM
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RE: Wont start, not battery!
I actually called Ford Roadside assist and they were on there way out before I got it started. Anyway, I called 2 local Ford dealerships and they both said It probably would not be covered because of supercharger. I asked them how a S/C effects the starter and their respnse was " all kinds of things could happen" So I dont know whats gonna happen, I'll let ya know.
Modaddict,30 amp fuses like the one that was in there it had one in the package for 4.49 + tax
Modaddict,30 amp fuses like the one that was in there it had one in the package for 4.49 + tax
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Thankfully you have a manny and were able to push start it. It would have stunk if you were stranded waiting for Ford Roadside assist. Please share with us what caused it; this makes me nervous.
Thankfully you have a manny and were able to push start it. It would have stunk if you were stranded waiting for Ford Roadside assist. Please share with us what caused it; this makes me nervous.
01-23-2008, 09:11 PM
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RE: Wont start, not battery!
please don't accept the dealer's answer. Remember, dealers work from a strict set of guidelines in order to be reimbursed for labor by the manufacturer. Ask the service mgr of your dealer for the names, email addys and phone #s of the regional rep and regional office. Then begin making calls and emails. Do not be confrontational. Explain how you love your stang, how you are very active on mustang forums etc etc and would like to speak with an engineer who could possibly shed some light on how a s/c could affect a possible starter issue and any suggestions they have. offer that if you are satisfied that your warranty for this should be voided then you will accept that. But; also explain that you must be satisfied that the warranty should be voided and right now, you are not.
How many times have you heard "I'm sorry,i can't do that" from an employee of an insurance co. auto mfr etc?That is correct, they can't but there is someone that can,you just need to speak with someone with a higher pay grade; keep escalating until satisfied.
Godspeed
How many times have you heard "I'm sorry,i can't do that" from an employee of an insurance co. auto mfr etc?That is correct, they can't but there is someone that can,you just need to speak with someone with a higher pay grade; keep escalating until satisfied.
Godspeed
01-24-2008, 01:07 AM
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RE: Wont start, not battery! Found Problem
Well I found the problem, jacked up the car looked at the starter and found some kind of ground wire from the starter solinoid going up to top. On the way up I saw it right up against the air conditioning unit, the insulation wore off and was grounding on it! Posted a picture. If you can make it out, i'm pointing my finger at the wire. Moved it away, and it started right up, thanks modaddict, Hammeron , and everyone else. I really do appreciate it.
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01-24-2008, 06:11 AM
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RE: Wont start, not battery! Found Problem
Thanks for the update. I'm going to check my wires.
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Well I found the problem, jacked up the car looked at the starter and found some kind of ground wire from the starter solinoid going up to top. On the way up I saw it right up against the air conditioning unit, the insulation wore off and was grounding on it! Posted a picture. If you can make it out, i'm pointing my finger at the wire. Moved it away, and it started right up, thanks modaddict, Hammeron , and everyone else. I really do appreciate it.
[IMG]local://upfiles/51594/7A658142DBFB4F11B276B70267EA08BA.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]local://upfiles/51594/993C1C4766AA4CDE8B0979ACC476455E.jpg[/IMG]
Well I found the problem, jacked up the car looked at the starter and found some kind of ground wire from the starter solinoid going up to top. On the way up I saw it right up against the air conditioning unit, the insulation wore off and was grounding on it! Posted a picture. If you can make it out, i'm pointing my finger at the wire. Moved it away, and it started right up, thanks modaddict, Hammeron , and everyone else. I really do appreciate it.
[IMG]local://upfiles/51594/7A658142DBFB4F11B276B70267EA08BA.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]local://upfiles/51594/993C1C4766AA4CDE8B0979ACC476455E.jpg[/IMG]
01-24-2008, 07:37 AM
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RE: Wont start, not battery!
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I actually called Ford Roadside assist and they were on there way out before I got it started. Anyway, I called 2 local Ford dealerships and they both said It probably would not be covered because of supercharger. I asked them how a S/C effects the starter and their respnse was " all kinds of things could happen" So I dont know whats gonna happen, I'll let ya know.
Modaddict,30 amp fuses like the one that was in there it had one in the package for 4.49 + tax
I actually called Ford Roadside assist and they were on there way out before I got it started. Anyway, I called 2 local Ford dealerships and they both said It probably would not be covered because of supercharger. I asked them how a S/C effects the starter and their respnse was " all kinds of things could happen" So I dont know whats gonna happen, I'll let ya know.
Modaddict,30 amp fuses like the one that was in there it had one in the package for 4.49 + tax
ORIGINAL: torque_is_good
Thankfully you have a manny and were able to push start it. It would have stunk if you were stranded waiting for Ford Roadside assist. Please share with us what caused it; this makes me nervous.
Thankfully you have a manny and were able to push start it. It would have stunk if you were stranded waiting for Ford Roadside assist. Please share with us what caused it; this makes me nervous.
Typical Ford inserts it into anus and breaks it off reponse. I tell you, a mod, any mod will come back and haunt you come warranty time.