4.10s or 4.30s???
#1
4.10s or 4.30s???
I currently have 4.10s, but after a crappy 1/4 mile time with 20" rims (weight/diameter) I've gone back to the drawing boards...
Currently I have a 275/35/20 rear tire (4.10 gears), but my mechanic said that by running the 20's I basically put the gears back close to 3.55 or 3.73... Is there logic in this? Sorry I have no experience with all these ratios, etc.
My cure to the problem (at least I hope) is that I have a pair of 17" stock wheels that I want to mount a set of drag radials to.
The two DR's I'm contemplating are MT's 275/40/17 or M&H's 275/50/17's, but I don't want to run into the same problem with diameters...
MT's (275/40/17)
4.3" sidewall
25.7" diameter
786.1 revolutions/mile
M&H's (275/50/17)
5.4" sidewall
27.9" diameter
723.9 revolutions/mile
Which one should I go with? Also, at the track I will retain the front 20's (255/35/20) because I have Brembo brakes and the stockers won't fit, and I have the car lowered with Steeda Ultralite's. I don't want to put the MT's (40 series) on and have the rear sit lower than the front .... Anyone have experience in this?
One more question.... I have a complete back up rear end and my mechanic was persuading me to put 4.30s in it since I run 20's on the street.... He says that with the 20's it would be like 4.10s, and at the track with the 17's it would be a beast on the 60ft times...
Hope this makes sense...
Currently I have a 275/35/20 rear tire (4.10 gears), but my mechanic said that by running the 20's I basically put the gears back close to 3.55 or 3.73... Is there logic in this? Sorry I have no experience with all these ratios, etc.
My cure to the problem (at least I hope) is that I have a pair of 17" stock wheels that I want to mount a set of drag radials to.
The two DR's I'm contemplating are MT's 275/40/17 or M&H's 275/50/17's, but I don't want to run into the same problem with diameters...
MT's (275/40/17)
4.3" sidewall
25.7" diameter
786.1 revolutions/mile
M&H's (275/50/17)
5.4" sidewall
27.9" diameter
723.9 revolutions/mile
Which one should I go with? Also, at the track I will retain the front 20's (255/35/20) because I have Brembo brakes and the stockers won't fit, and I have the car lowered with Steeda Ultralite's. I don't want to put the MT's (40 series) on and have the rear sit lower than the front .... Anyone have experience in this?
One more question.... I have a complete back up rear end and my mechanic was persuading me to put 4.30s in it since I run 20's on the street.... He says that with the 20's it would be like 4.10s, and at the track with the 17's it would be a beast on the 60ft times...
Hope this makes sense...
Last edited by Darkness7; 05-01-2009 at 07:09 AM.
#2
the 20s hurt due to weight and lack of side wall, that size is 27.6" its not that much taller then stock, so maybe your gearing comes down to a 4.04, you mechanic is way off IMO
the shorter tire will give you more gear, I run a 26.4 rear tire and a 27.25 front and its not an issue
the smaller rim/tire combo should help your times as you'll have more sidewall to work with and less rotational weight
the shorter tire will give you more gear, I run a 26.4 rear tire and a 27.25 front and its not an issue
the smaller rim/tire combo should help your times as you'll have more sidewall to work with and less rotational weight
#5
the 20s hurt due to weight and lack of side wall, that size is 27.6" its not that much taller then stock, so maybe your gearing comes down to a 4.04, you mechanic is way off IMO
the shorter tire will give you more gear, I run a 26.4 rear tire and a 27.25 front and its not an issue
the smaller rim/tire combo should help your times as you'll have more sidewall to work with and less rotational weight
the shorter tire will give you more gear, I run a 26.4 rear tire and a 27.25 front and its not an issue
the smaller rim/tire combo should help your times as you'll have more sidewall to work with and less rotational weight
Great info. Thanks. So what side wall on the DR should I go with then? The 40's or 50's? The 50's will be taller thus I might lose some gear.... ?????
Absolutely, that's why I just picked up some stock 17's for the track!!!
#6
well its a balancing act of sorts, a bigger side wall gives a better launch, but the taller tire will cut some gear. what size shot are you running? and have you been down the 1/4 to know what your traps are?
#7
Yea, but it was ****ty times due to the 20's I had on there. You've actually responded to one of my other threads....
https://mustangforums.com/forum/stre...ml#post6165517
My times are posted there.
I don't plan on running anything over a 100hp shot as of now. I don't have the fuel support or plugs to go any higher. I don't want to run lean and blow something up like I've read on here...
https://mustangforums.com/forum/stre...ml#post6165517
My times are posted there.
I don't plan on running anything over a 100hp shot as of now. I don't have the fuel support or plugs to go any higher. I don't want to run lean and blow something up like I've read on here...
#8
Get a new mechanic.
One who has a tape measurer and a sense of proportion.
Its not the rim diameter, its the sidewall height with 20s.
There is a lot less flex which translates to quicker
loss of traction with any given amout of HP.
The 4.10s are OK. He just want that gravy $$ again that
he got when you had him install the 4.10s. He saw you
disappointed with the 4.10s and is helping you throw $$
at the problem (him).
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalcold.html
http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCal...?action=submit
Run the #s and see if he is not lying to you.....
Drop to a 17" rim from the 20s and get tires that have the same
outside diameter or Revs/Mile and the sidewall will be there without
power loss from taller tires....
One who has a tape measurer and a sense of proportion.
Its not the rim diameter, its the sidewall height with 20s.
There is a lot less flex which translates to quicker
loss of traction with any given amout of HP.
The 4.10s are OK. He just want that gravy $$ again that
he got when you had him install the 4.10s. He saw you
disappointed with the 4.10s and is helping you throw $$
at the problem (him).
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalcold.html
http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCal...?action=submit
Run the #s and see if he is not lying to you.....
outside diameter or Revs/Mile and the sidewall will be there without
power loss from taller tires....
Last edited by 157dB; 05-02-2009 at 01:12 PM.
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