03 camaro vs 03 cobra
11-10-2004, 02:11 AM
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RE: 03 camaro vs 03 cobra
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I dont think from a stop that Camaro would get murdered, it would definatley be a good race.
I dont think from a stop that Camaro would get murdered, it would definatley be a good race.
11-10-2004, 04:30 PM
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RE: 03 camaro vs 03 cobra
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98ls1 shut up you idiot.
98ls1 shut up you idiot.
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ahha what are u talkin about??? first of all yes that ss does have 525 hp... not RWHP but does have 525 flywheel.... and mauro has a kb not heads/cam and he does have 640RWHP, but that wasn;t mauro racing in that video that was dan, who dynoed at 450rwhp
ORIGINAL: 98LS1
EDIT: That's no heads/cam car and it's definately not pushing anywhere near 500hp. I just posted a vid the other day of a cam only LS1 beating a 450rwhp Cobra. If this is the case and the Maro does have heads/cam, the Cobra must be putting out about 700hp.
EDIT: That's no heads/cam car and it's definately not pushing anywhere near 500hp. I just posted a vid the other day of a cam only LS1 beating a 450rwhp Cobra. If this is the case and the Maro does have heads/cam, the Cobra must be putting out about 700hp.
Who/what the hell is "mauro."
I'm sure that video is pretty acurate. That was one hell of an '03 SS. I didn't know you could race with your imagination.
11-10-2004, 11:15 PM
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RE: 03 camaro vs 03 cobra
Here we go again, typical F-body owner who just can't take a "loose" as an answer, much like ricers.
The Cobra coupe is only 3600 lbs, not much heavier than a Camaro. Therefore a 400 hp Camaro will NOT whoop a 450 hp Cobra all else being equal.
Why? Simple because the only way to pump out mega hp with an NA engine is by shifting your power curve up, so your peak will be higher, but also narrower. A 450 hp Cobra would be making a LOT of torque at all rpm range, because of the "over driven" super charger. So right after a shift, especially if the Camaro is auto with stock gearing, the Cobra would be putting down a lot more power on the road than a Camaro. A 600 hp Camaro might only make 400 lb-ft of torque at 3000 rpm, but a 600 hp Cobra would put down like 600+ lb-ft of torque anywhere from 2000 to 5000 rpm.
Especially if it's on the street and the Cobra caught the Camaro by suprise in a higher gear, that badass cammed and headed Camaro would get murdered.
Yes 98LS1, there will always be a faster LS1 out there, so don't worry, life goes on buddy.
The Cobra coupe is only 3600 lbs, not much heavier than a Camaro. Therefore a 400 hp Camaro will NOT whoop a 450 hp Cobra all else being equal.
Why? Simple because the only way to pump out mega hp with an NA engine is by shifting your power curve up, so your peak will be higher, but also narrower. A 450 hp Cobra would be making a LOT of torque at all rpm range, because of the "over driven" super charger. So right after a shift, especially if the Camaro is auto with stock gearing, the Cobra would be putting down a lot more power on the road than a Camaro. A 600 hp Camaro might only make 400 lb-ft of torque at 3000 rpm, but a 600 hp Cobra would put down like 600+ lb-ft of torque anywhere from 2000 to 5000 rpm.
Especially if it's on the street and the Cobra caught the Camaro by suprise in a higher gear, that badass cammed and headed Camaro would get murdered.
Yes 98LS1, there will always be a faster LS1 out there, so don't worry, life goes on buddy.
11-10-2004, 11:56 PM
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RE: 03 camaro vs 03 cobra
Here we go again, typical F-body owner who just can't take a "loose" as an answer, much like ricers.
The Cobra coupe is only 3600 lbs, not much heavier than a Camaro. Therefore a 400 hp Camaro will NOT whoop a 450 hp Cobra all else being equal.
Why? Simple because the only way to pump out mega hp with an NA engine is by shifting your power curve up, so your peak will be higher, but also narrower. A 450 hp Cobra would be making a LOT of torque at all rpm range, because of the "over driven" super charger. So right after a shift, especially if the Camaro is auto with stock gearing, the Cobra would be putting down a lot more power on the road than a Camaro. A 600 hp Camaro might only make 400 lb-ft of torque at 3000 rpm, but a 600 hp Cobra would put down like 600+ lb-ft of torque anywhere from 2000 to 5000 rpm.
Especially if it's on the street and the Cobra caught the Camaro by suprise in a higher gear, that badass cammed and headed Camaro would get murdered.
Yes 98LS1, there will always be a faster LS1 out there, so don't worry, life goes on buddy.
The Cobra coupe is only 3600 lbs, not much heavier than a Camaro. Therefore a 400 hp Camaro will NOT whoop a 450 hp Cobra all else being equal.
Why? Simple because the only way to pump out mega hp with an NA engine is by shifting your power curve up, so your peak will be higher, but also narrower. A 450 hp Cobra would be making a LOT of torque at all rpm range, because of the "over driven" super charger. So right after a shift, especially if the Camaro is auto with stock gearing, the Cobra would be putting down a lot more power on the road than a Camaro. A 600 hp Camaro might only make 400 lb-ft of torque at 3000 rpm, but a 600 hp Cobra would put down like 600+ lb-ft of torque anywhere from 2000 to 5000 rpm.
Especially if it's on the street and the Cobra caught the Camaro by suprise in a higher gear, that badass cammed and headed Camaro would get murdered.
Yes 98LS1, there will always be a faster LS1 out there, so don't worry, life goes on buddy.
11-11-2004, 03:08 AM
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RE: 03 camaro vs 03 cobra
first off I would like to start of by saying OICW is wrong and for many reasons. Your numbers are way off. Now why would a cobra have a broad RPM range where torque stays the same and not the Camaro? is the cobra special? (you didn't even sound to sure about what you were saying becuase a smart person would state correct facts in a reassuring way not using the word "LIKE"). Also did you have the dyno sheets to both the cars? no i didn't think so. Your assumptions are just broad estimates from your head. Any healthly, breathing engine will have a broad RPM range where it makes power no mater SC or NAE. You think just becuase the camaro is not supercharged its torque peaks only once and dies? hmmm. Now on your last statement "Especially if it's on the street and the Cobra caught the Camaro by suprise in a higher gear, that badass cammed and headed Camaro would get murdered". Now correct me if im wrong but all newer vehicles has a throttle kickdown. When WOT is accesed the computer tells the trans to kick down to a lower gear and most the times its the 3rd gear So the cobra would deffinitly have a run for his money if not loose. so your accusation is wrong once again. Maybe you should hit the books buddie.
11-11-2004, 03:19 AM
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RE: 03 camaro vs 03 cobra
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first off I would like to start of by saying OICW is wrong and for many reasons. Your numbers are way off. Now why would a cobra have a broad RPM range where torque stays the same and not the Camaro? is the cobra special? (you didn't even sound to sure about what you were saying becuase a smart person would state correct facts in a reassuring way not using the word "LIKE"). Also did you have the dyno sheets to both the cars? no i didn't think so. Your assumptions are just broad estimates from your head. Any healthly, breathing engine will have a broad RPM range where it makes power no mater SC or NAE. You think just becuase the camaro is not supercharged its torque peaks only once and dies? hmmm. Now on your last statement "Especially if it's on the street and the Cobra caught the Camaro by suprise in a higher gear, that badass cammed and headed Camaro would get murdered". Now correct me if im wrong but all newer vehicles has a throttle kickdown. When WOT is accesed the computer tells the trans to kick down to a lower gear and most the times its the 3rd gear So the cobra would deffinitly have a run for his money if not loose. so your accusation is wrong once again. Maybe you should hit the books buddie.
first off I would like to start of by saying OICW is wrong and for many reasons. Your numbers are way off. Now why would a cobra have a broad RPM range where torque stays the same and not the Camaro? is the cobra special? (you didn't even sound to sure about what you were saying becuase a smart person would state correct facts in a reassuring way not using the word "LIKE"). Also did you have the dyno sheets to both the cars? no i didn't think so. Your assumptions are just broad estimates from your head. Any healthly, breathing engine will have a broad RPM range where it makes power no mater SC or NAE. You think just becuase the camaro is not supercharged its torque peaks only once and dies? hmmm. Now on your last statement "Especially if it's on the street and the Cobra caught the Camaro by suprise in a higher gear, that badass cammed and headed Camaro would get murdered". Now correct me if im wrong but all newer vehicles has a throttle kickdown. When WOT is accesed the computer tells the trans to kick down to a lower gear and most the times its the 3rd gear So the cobra would deffinitly have a run for his money if not loose. so your accusation is wrong once again. Maybe you should hit the books buddie.
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11-11-2004, 03:44 AM
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RE: 03 camaro vs 03 cobra
Let's settle down a bit,
Btw nice vid
Havn't been here in a while so I don't know if it really is a re-post
Guess i'll take a look see.
And I bleeve the cobra is much heavier than the maro
Arnt cobras with the driver around 3900lbs?
VERY heavy car.
Btw nice vid
Havn't been here in a while so I don't know if it really is a re-post
Guess i'll take a look see.
And I bleeve the cobra is much heavier than the maro
Arnt cobras with the driver around 3900lbs?
VERY heavy car.
11-11-2004, 06:54 AM
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RE: 03 camaro vs 03 cobra
ORIGINAL: Death
first off I would like to start of by saying OICW is wrong and for many reasons. Your numbers are way off. Now why would a cobra have a broad RPM range where torque stays the same and not the Camaro? is the cobra special? (you didn't even sound to sure about what you were saying becuase a smart person would state correct facts in a reassuring way not using the word "LIKE"). Also did you have the dyno sheets to both the cars? no i didn't think so. Your assumptions are just broad estimates from your head. Any healthly, breathing engine will have a broad RPM range where it makes power no mater SC or NAE. You think just becuase the camaro is not supercharged its torque peaks only once and dies? hmmm. Now on your last statement "Especially if it's on the street and the Cobra caught the Camaro by suprise in a higher gear, that badass cammed and headed Camaro would get murdered". Now correct me if im wrong but all newer vehicles has a throttle kickdown. When WOT is accesed the computer tells the trans to kick down to a lower gear and most the times its the 3rd gear So the cobra would deffinitly have a run for his money if not loose. so your accusation is wrong once again. Maybe you should hit the books buddie.
first off I would like to start of by saying OICW is wrong and for many reasons. Your numbers are way off. Now why would a cobra have a broad RPM range where torque stays the same and not the Camaro? is the cobra special? (you didn't even sound to sure about what you were saying becuase a smart person would state correct facts in a reassuring way not using the word "LIKE"). Also did you have the dyno sheets to both the cars? no i didn't think so. Your assumptions are just broad estimates from your head. Any healthly, breathing engine will have a broad RPM range where it makes power no mater SC or NAE. You think just becuase the camaro is not supercharged its torque peaks only once and dies? hmmm. Now on your last statement "Especially if it's on the street and the Cobra caught the Camaro by suprise in a higher gear, that badass cammed and headed Camaro would get murdered". Now correct me if im wrong but all newer vehicles has a throttle kickdown. When WOT is accesed the computer tells the trans to kick down to a lower gear and most the times its the 3rd gear So the cobra would deffinitly have a run for his money if not loose. so your accusation is wrong once again. Maybe you should hit the books buddie.
11-11-2004, 10:48 AM
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RE: 03 camaro vs 03 cobra
ORIGINAL: OICW
Here we go again, typical F-body owner who just can't take a "loose" as an answer, much like ricers.
The Cobra coupe is only 3600 lbs, not much heavier than a Camaro. Therefore a 400 hp Camaro will NOT whoop a 450 hp Cobra all else being equal.
Why? Simple because the only way to pump out mega hp with an NA engine is by shifting your power curve up, so your peak will be higher, but also narrower. A 450 hp Cobra would be making a LOT of torque at all rpm range, because of the "over driven" super charger. So right after a shift, especially if the Camaro is auto with stock gearing, the Cobra would be putting down a lot more power on the road than a Camaro. A 600 hp Camaro might only make 400 lb-ft of torque at 3000 rpm, but a 600 hp Cobra would put down like 600+ lb-ft of torque anywhere from 2000 to 5000 rpm.
Especially if it's on the street and the Cobra caught the Camaro by suprise in a higher gear, that badass cammed and headed Camaro would get murdered.
Yes 98LS1, there will always be a faster LS1 out there, so don't worry, life goes on buddy.
Here we go again, typical F-body owner who just can't take a "loose" as an answer, much like ricers.
The Cobra coupe is only 3600 lbs, not much heavier than a Camaro. Therefore a 400 hp Camaro will NOT whoop a 450 hp Cobra all else being equal.
Why? Simple because the only way to pump out mega hp with an NA engine is by shifting your power curve up, so your peak will be higher, but also narrower. A 450 hp Cobra would be making a LOT of torque at all rpm range, because of the "over driven" super charger. So right after a shift, especially if the Camaro is auto with stock gearing, the Cobra would be putting down a lot more power on the road than a Camaro. A 600 hp Camaro might only make 400 lb-ft of torque at 3000 rpm, but a 600 hp Cobra would put down like 600+ lb-ft of torque anywhere from 2000 to 5000 rpm.
Especially if it's on the street and the Cobra caught the Camaro by suprise in a higher gear, that badass cammed and headed Camaro would get murdered.
Yes 98LS1, there will always be a faster LS1 out there, so don't worry, life goes on buddy.