Do you?

 

I'd like more information please.... Seriously.

Eibach street springs are horribly inconsistent, and their ERS race springs are only guaranteed to be within 5% of nominal rate, Hypercoil and Vogtland are what I use and both are guaranteed to be within 2% of nominal.

What kind of spring tester do you have? Maybe we'll finally get some tangible information from you. I have a Longacre.

 

Have you ever dyno'd the Mustang shocks from GC? Are we talking front or rear, here? Do you know what single adj. cartridges are available for their front strut set-up? I know the singles are valved specifically for GC by Koni, but their DA's (which is what I have) come straight from Koni. You say they didn't need to custom valve the shocks, but do you know that for a fact? You can honestly draw the conclusion that because they messed up on the valving of one shock (so you say) that automatically means every shock they valve will be wrong?? Come on. Sam. Jay;s been in business for quite a long time, and done very well...not by being stupid or making a bad product. Maybe you're just a little jealous?

This thread started about rear spring purches. You immediately jumped on GC saying how "crude" their rear adjusters are, and then went on with completely non related examples. Funny thing is, you never even said why you thought the adjusters were so crude, but now you're off on a shock tirade. I think we get it that you don't like GC, but all due respect...you're sounding more like sour grapes than a professional businessman. At this point it's not about you being right or wrong about GC. You took this thread and dragged it off in a direction you wanted to because of your agenda w/GC. IMO that's not right.
I'm just sayin...

 

I don't appreciate you quoting me in your attempt to badger Sam.
Personally, I admire Sam and I certainly respect his accomplishments. Sometimes I have a problem with his approach to things on the internet and we've even had our heated discussions, but I'll share my feelings with him not out of disrespect, but either to possibly shine a little light from another direction, or discuss something technical which I'm always open to learning something, and I have in the past from Sam.
Either way, it seems to me you're just looking to cause trouble and I prefer not to be included.

 

We appreciate, you being fair and mature in your criticism and distancing yourself from idiots.
That's how it's done and the only way to keep things running smoothly.
Thank you for that.

Time to take care of the already warned trouble maker here...

 

Hey man, think whatever you want. I used to sell GC stuff, as a vendor. Through years of misery and giant pains in my *** I quit. For a business owner like myself (and this shop has been around since 1969) to quit selling a profit making setup I think is pretty indicative of what I think about them. Their rear adjusters for solid axles are crude. I OWN SOME, and have run their stuff on my Camaro. In fact the front sleeves are still there. So you can paint me with whatever brush you wish because you clearly have a chip on your shoulder with regards to GC and think they walk on water or something. Ok, that's fine. Their attempt to build their own dampers pretty much tanked--I'm smart enough not to try with the options available.

Do I have an adgenda? You bet I do. And what's that agenda? To sell parts and to make a living. I know, it's terrible! How do I go about that? But leaning on my experience (good and bad) and knowledge and personal findings as well solid information gained from other sources I explicitly trust. And I want to get folks on the BEST stuff for their needs. If they are happy, they'll tell others (and it seems that's happening around here) that I didn't screw 'em or oversell them. I know it's ballsy to try and take the time to help folks, and it's frustrating when I offer an opinion to be blasted for it. I don't blast you Steelcomp, and Just1Guy asks for it. I digress. Happy customers tell others, and they themselves tend to come back if they are happy with the result. That's all I try for.

Am I jealous of other businesses? No. I pay my bills, have some fun cars, have a house that suits me. I get twisted up when folks ignore evidence about various things and believe what they want. That's all that bothers me about other businesses.

The fact is I carry more variety of brands than most any other supplier I can think of. I'm a loyal guy--to a point. If the crap doesn't work, or work the way I want I'll run something else. That gets me hot water with some companies, or individuals who blindly follow the pied-piper. Fact is GC spring/adjusters work, if they are at times a little crude. Their choice of spring rates and damping rates is, in my opinion, a little off. And when I see different customers with similar uses getting very different spring rates as "recommended" by a company, yes I think that is odd.

You clearly know Jay Morris (since you are throwing his name around) so maybe that's where this is coming from. :dunno:

 

Let me elaborate a bit... For instance on a Camaro the rear weight jacks sit loose on the axle, and use a short spring. When the axle droops you can pull both right out of the car. They have kits where the coil-over sleeve is too large for the shock, so they give you strips of rubber to slide between the shock body and the coil-over sleeve. There are two examples I recall right off the top of my head.

And fwiw, it's not all that hard to make a coil-over kit... Koni for instance sells all the parts to do so and that fit their dampers. Yes, GC is successful. So is Granatelli, but he's always under attack. The fact is success doesn't always equal the best product and I've redone a lot of cars that were "fast" because the driver was pretty good. Hell, one of the reasons I have so many Corvette shock curves is because there are two different guys (big name guys) who do Penske's for that car--and the couldn't be more different, and they are at the extremes of valving. One uses dead linear valving, the other a setup that is so digressive that it looks like a cliff Wile E. Coyote would fall off of in the cartoons. And I think both are wrong. See this isn't all about GC, it's about what I think, feel, believe and I'll say so.

Have I dyno'ed a damper from GC for the Mustang? I have not. Every other shock I've had dyno'ed from them has similar weirdness going on, and I suspect these are no different. Maybe I'm wrong. Have you dyno'ed a stock S197 strut? Going back to the RX7 for a second..... Koni valved GC's trick stuff to GC spec, and it's wacky. Koni recommended to this customer that he switch to the 8610 or 8611 race insert to get what he really wanted all along. That wasn't me (though I was pushing for that from the start).

Again, to each his own. For those of you watching and enjoying your popcorn.... if you are looking at parts here is what I suggest: Call various vendors and talk to them. Ask questions, see what you get for answers, see what you are comfortable with and decide for yourself. Simple.

 

“Opinion has caused more trouble on this little earth than plagues or earthquakes” (Voltaire). This is a "discussion forum", whats wrong with telling it like you see it from your personal experiences? Different opinions drive innovation, otherwise we might all be driving VW beetles.

 

I guess the French aren't so bad after all...
I figured that since everyone have an *******, I'll get an opinion as well.
Cause, I ain't driving a damn beetle.

 

Hey! I drove a '69 beetle when I was a kid in high school.