fineally took down an SRT4!
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You must've missed the article in M&F (or maybe MM&FF) a few years back. They took a well built 390 and installed a very high tech engine management system on it (much more advanced than you'll find in a production car....a computer for each cylinder!). In the end, they managed somewhere in the neighborhood of 600hp with the 390's famous torque curve. Installed in an early '60s Galaxy, it also returned 30mpg highway. [sm=jawdrop.gif] I still have the article somewhere in my basement...I'm hoping to duplicate this sometime after I get $6k I can spend on the computers (you could buy the kit shortly after the article was published).
It shows what can be done with a little forward thinking. Too bad there are ZERO manufacturers that would go to this level.
It shows what can be done with a little forward thinking. Too bad there are ZERO manufacturers that would go to this level.
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RE: fineally took down an SRT4!
ORIGINAL: White2000GT
But that's just the point. Even Ford's engineers wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a couple of old 428's off of Ebay and slap them in a new car. Of course they would reengineer the engine. I'm sure they would even learn a few things from the GM engineers and strive to put the best possible flowing heads and intake manifold, and figure out the best cam configuration to produce the maximum amount of power from the engine. We all know it's not gonna happen though.
But that's just the point. Even Ford's engineers wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a couple of old 428's off of Ebay and slap them in a new car. Of course they would reengineer the engine. I'm sure they would even learn a few things from the GM engineers and strive to put the best possible flowing heads and intake manifold, and figure out the best cam configuration to produce the maximum amount of power from the engine. We all know it's not gonna happen though.
I don't know why they continue to go to FI motors. They're not better on fuel economy, they're heavy motors, at least the OHC motors, and they cost an arm and a leg to work on. I'd hate to have to buy 4 cams just to do a swap.Don't get me wrong, they do great with blown motors, but even their blown motors don't make that much power w/o some type of aftermarket blower/turbo. IDK, I don't have a vendetta against them one bit, I just think there are much easier ways to go fast than the way Ford offers.
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The only way GM knows how to produce horsepower is displacement. Period. There haven't been any "hot Chevy exotics" since the ZR-1. Maybe you don't remember the domestic horsepower wars of the 1980's but I certainly do and I also remember how Chevy finally threw in the towel on the 305 and had to go to the 350 to beat an old, pushrod, normally-aspirated 302. While I do think GM deserves kudos for the MPG they can squeeze from their V-8's, I don't buy performance cars based on their mileage...
If Chevy is so much better at producing horsepower in their V-8's than Ford, why don't they dominate NASCAR, NHRA, etc.? Last I checked, 5 of the final 10 in NASCAR last year were driving Fords despite the fact that there are far more Chevy teams than Ford...
If Chevy is so much better at producing horsepower in their V-8's than Ford, why don't they dominate NASCAR, NHRA, etc.? Last I checked, 5 of the final 10 in NASCAR last year were driving Fords despite the fact that there are far more Chevy teams than Ford...
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RE: fineally took down an SRT4!
ORIGINAL: King Cobra
The only way GM knows how to produce horsepower is displacement. Period. There haven't been any "hot Chevy exotics" since the ZR-1. Maybe you don't remember the domestic horsepower wars of the 1980's but I certainly do and I also remember how Chevy finally threw in the towel on the 305 and had to go to the 350 to beat an old, pushrod, normally-aspirated 302. While I do think GM deserves kudos for the MPG they can squeeze from their V-8's, I don't buy performance cars based on their mileage...
If Chevy is so much better at producing horsepower in their V-8's than Ford, why don't they dominate NASCAR, NHRA, etc.? Last I checked, 5 of the final 10 in NASCAR last year were driving Fords despite the fact that there are far more Chevy teams than Ford...
The only way GM knows how to produce horsepower is displacement. Period. There haven't been any "hot Chevy exotics" since the ZR-1. Maybe you don't remember the domestic horsepower wars of the 1980's but I certainly do and I also remember how Chevy finally threw in the towel on the 305 and had to go to the 350 to beat an old, pushrod, normally-aspirated 302. While I do think GM deserves kudos for the MPG they can squeeze from their V-8's, I don't buy performance cars based on their mileage...
If Chevy is so much better at producing horsepower in their V-8's than Ford, why don't they dominate NASCAR, NHRA, etc.? Last I checked, 5 of the final 10 in NASCAR last year were driving Fords despite the fact that there are far more Chevy teams than Ford...
What's wrong with displacment? It's a beautiful thing once you get used to it. Especially on the top end.
PUSHRODS RULE BABY!!!!!!
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RE: fineally took down an SRT4!
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What's wrong with displacment? It's a beautiful thing once you get used to it. Especially on the top end.
PUSHRODS RULE BABY!!!!!!
ORIGINAL: King Cobra
The only way GM knows how to produce horsepower is displacement. Period. There haven't been any "hot Chevy exotics" since the ZR-1. Maybe you don't remember the domestic horsepower wars of the 1980's but I certainly do and I also remember how Chevy finally threw in the towel on the 305 and had to go to the 350 to beat an old, pushrod, normally-aspirated 302. While I do think GM deserves kudos for the MPG they can squeeze from their V-8's, I don't buy performance cars based on their mileage...
If Chevy is so much better at producing horsepower in their V-8's than Ford, why don't they dominate NASCAR, NHRA, etc.? Last I checked, 5 of the final 10 in NASCAR last year were driving Fords despite the fact that there are far more Chevy teams than Ford...
The only way GM knows how to produce horsepower is displacement. Period. There haven't been any "hot Chevy exotics" since the ZR-1. Maybe you don't remember the domestic horsepower wars of the 1980's but I certainly do and I also remember how Chevy finally threw in the towel on the 305 and had to go to the 350 to beat an old, pushrod, normally-aspirated 302. While I do think GM deserves kudos for the MPG they can squeeze from their V-8's, I don't buy performance cars based on their mileage...
If Chevy is so much better at producing horsepower in their V-8's than Ford, why don't they dominate NASCAR, NHRA, etc.? Last I checked, 5 of the final 10 in NASCAR last year were driving Fords despite the fact that there are far more Chevy teams than Ford...
What's wrong with displacment? It's a beautiful thing once you get used to it. Especially on the top end.
PUSHRODS RULE BABY!!!!!!
On the other hand, Ford seems to have managed an excellent compromise with the new 3 valve heads which breathe almost as well as the 4v heads, but have the size, weight and complexity of the 2v heads.
I think the Jury's still out on this one...[:-]
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RE: fineally took down an SRT4!
ORIGINAL: 98LS1
I see where you're coming from, but Ford doesn't seem to have the engineering capability, nor SVT, to create such a motor. What's the highest output N/A motor they have produced in 10 years? The 331 that was in the Cobra R? That was a real winner... I don't know why they continue to go to FI motors. They're not better on fuel economy, they're heavy motors, at least the OHC motors, and they cost an arm and a leg to work on. I'd hate to have to buy 4 cams just to do a swap.
Don't get me wrong, they do great with blown motors, but even their blown motors don't make that much power w/o some type of aftermarket blower/turbo. IDK, I don't have a vendetta against them one bit, I just think there are much easier ways to go fast than the way Ford offers.
ORIGINAL: White2000GT
But that's just the point. Even Ford's engineers wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a couple of old 428's off of Ebay and slap them in a new car. Of course they would reengineer the engine. I'm sure they would even learn a few things from the GM engineers and strive to put the best possible flowing heads and intake manifold, and figure out the best cam configuration to produce the maximum amount of power from the engine. We all know it's not gonna happen though.
But that's just the point. Even Ford's engineers wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a couple of old 428's off of Ebay and slap them in a new car. Of course they would reengineer the engine. I'm sure they would even learn a few things from the GM engineers and strive to put the best possible flowing heads and intake manifold, and figure out the best cam configuration to produce the maximum amount of power from the engine. We all know it's not gonna happen though.
I don't know why they continue to go to FI motors. They're not better on fuel economy, they're heavy motors, at least the OHC motors, and they cost an arm and a leg to work on. I'd hate to have to buy 4 cams just to do a swap.Don't get me wrong, they do great with blown motors, but even their blown motors don't make that much power w/o some type of aftermarket blower/turbo. IDK, I don't have a vendetta against them one bit, I just think there are much easier ways to go fast than the way Ford offers.
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