M3 beat
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RE: M3 beat
ORIGINAL: Sleeper05
From a dig, an e46 m3 is quite beatable. They are easily capable of mid 13s stock, but do not launch well, dominating in roll races and corner-carving with their tuned suspension and peppy i6 motor. However, they do NOT live up to their 333hp on a moderate-weight car, IMO. Good kill, though you might be exaggerating the "4 car lengths" part.
From a dig, an e46 m3 is quite beatable. They are easily capable of mid 13s stock, but do not launch well, dominating in roll races and corner-carving with their tuned suspension and peppy i6 motor. However, they do NOT live up to their 333hp on a moderate-weight car, IMO. Good kill, though you might be exaggerating the "4 car lengths" part.
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RE: M3 beat
ORIGINAL: MrRogers
I dissagree. With only 260FT LBS of torque, the M3s can luanch very easily. I beleive the the 333HP motors are only for this years models. The engine performs very well up in the high rpms. They are a foe to be reconed with.
ORIGINAL: Sleeper05
From a dig, an e46 m3 is quite beatable. They are easily capable of mid 13s stock, but do not launch well, dominating in roll races and corner-carving with their tuned suspension and peppy i6 motor. However, they do NOT live up to their 333hp on a moderate-weight car, IMO. Good kill, though you might be exaggerating the "4 car lengths" part.
From a dig, an e46 m3 is quite beatable. They are easily capable of mid 13s stock, but do not launch well, dominating in roll races and corner-carving with their tuned suspension and peppy i6 motor. However, they do NOT live up to their 333hp on a moderate-weight car, IMO. Good kill, though you might be exaggerating the "4 car lengths" part.
They are beasts for 3L and 3.2L, repectively, though!
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RE: M3 beat
ORIGINAL: mustang_pa
yeah i don't know if it was a true 4 lengths. all i know is that he wasn't next to me and wasn't behind me, you know where a normal car that is just following another car is. he was alittle futher back than that.
yeah i don't know if it was a true 4 lengths. all i know is that he wasn't next to me and wasn't behind me, you know where a normal car that is just following another car is. he was alittle futher back than that.
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RE: M3 beat
ORIGINAL: Sleeper05
I've driven them, modded them, and raced them. My comment was drawn from experience in this regard. In my experience, the e36 m3 launches better than the e46, but the latter has a lot more *umph* up high. I raced my dad's friend's tiptronic (or whatever the brand name is for it with BMW) 2003 m3 when I had just an intake and 4.10s. I put 2 car lengths on him by 40mph, and pulled one additional length by 100. From a 40mph roll, I did not make any huge jumps, but pulled steadily up to 100, finishing about 1.5 lengths ahead. '95s, '96s, and '99s my friends had all gave me a better run from a dig, but did not hold up at all from a roll.
They are beasts for 3L and 3.2L, repectively, though!
ORIGINAL: MrRogers
I dissagree. With only 260FT LBS of torque, the M3s can luanch very easily. I beleive the the 333HP motors are only for this years models. The engine performs very well up in the high rpms. They are a foe to be reconed with.
ORIGINAL: Sleeper05
From a dig, an e46 m3 is quite beatable. They are easily capable of mid 13s stock, but do not launch well, dominating in roll races and corner-carving with their tuned suspension and peppy i6 motor. However, they do NOT live up to their 333hp on a moderate-weight car, IMO. Good kill, though you might be exaggerating the "4 car lengths" part.
From a dig, an e46 m3 is quite beatable. They are easily capable of mid 13s stock, but do not launch well, dominating in roll races and corner-carving with their tuned suspension and peppy i6 motor. However, they do NOT live up to their 333hp on a moderate-weight car, IMO. Good kill, though you might be exaggerating the "4 car lengths" part.
They are beasts for 3L and 3.2L, repectively, though!
does not provide adequate experience or provides enough backing to say that they do not luanch well. I've raced them and driven them too, and they all launch very well.You have to ask yourself, how does a car with at the most 215 FT LBS of torque hitting the back wheels have trouble launching? But I have my opinion and you have yours,
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RE: M3 beat
ORIGINAL: limer06stang
are you sure that the m3 was racing...j/k j/k good kill though but he may of needed a good driver mod.
are you sure that the m3 was racing...j/k j/k good kill though but he may of needed a good driver mod.
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RE: M3 beat
ORIGINAL: MrRogers
Racing, and beating your friends daddoes not provide adequate experience or provides enough backing to say that they do not luanch well. I've raced them and driven them too, and they all launch very well.You have to ask yourself, how does a car with at the most 215 FT LBS of torque hitting the back wheels have trouble launching? But I have my opinion and you have yours,
ORIGINAL: Sleeper05
I've driven them, modded them, and raced them. My comment was drawn from experience in this regard. In my experience, the e36 m3 launches better than the e46, but the latter has a lot more *umph* up high. I raced my dad's friend's tiptronic (or whatever the brand name is for it with BMW) 2003 m3 when I had just an intake and 4.10s. I put 2 car lengths on him by 40mph, and pulled one additional length by 100. From a 40mph roll, I did not make any huge jumps, but pulled steadily up to 100, finishing about 1.5 lengths ahead. '95s, '96s, and '99s my friends had all gave me a better run from a dig, but did not hold up at all from a roll.
They are beasts for 3L and 3.2L, repectively, though!
ORIGINAL: MrRogers
I dissagree. With only 260FT LBS of torque, the M3s can luanch very easily. I beleive the the 333HP motors are only for this years models. The engine performs very well up in the high rpms. They are a foe to be reconed with.
ORIGINAL: Sleeper05
From a dig, an e46 m3 is quite beatable. They are easily capable of mid 13s stock, but do not launch well, dominating in roll races and corner-carving with their tuned suspension and peppy i6 motor. However, they do NOT live up to their 333hp on a moderate-weight car, IMO. Good kill, though you might be exaggerating the "4 car lengths" part.
From a dig, an e46 m3 is quite beatable. They are easily capable of mid 13s stock, but do not launch well, dominating in roll races and corner-carving with their tuned suspension and peppy i6 motor. However, they do NOT live up to their 333hp on a moderate-weight car, IMO. Good kill, though you might be exaggerating the "4 car lengths" part.
They are beasts for 3L and 3.2L, repectively, though!
does not provide adequate experience or provides enough backing to say that they do not luanch well. I've raced them and driven them too, and they all launch very well.You have to ask yourself, how does a car with at the most 215 FT LBS of torque hitting the back wheels have trouble launching? But I have my opinion and you have yours,
They do NOT launch "badly," per se,but it is their only noticeable weakness in my opinion. It can't be denied that they are not designed to be drag cars from the get-go, but rather track cars.
It is also important to point out that you cannot easily fit larger than a 255 tire in back on an e36 m3, which contributes to difficulty launching, especially with 300, 400, or 500hp as several of the ones I've driven have/had.
edit: The best short time I could cut in either of the m3's I've taken down the track was ~2.20. The best either of their owners have cut to my knowledge is in the low 2.1x's, whereas the worst short time I've ever had in the stang is right around 2.2.
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RE: M3 beat
ORIGINAL: Sleeper05
Perfectly reasonable. I should have clarified that as just a single example. I've driven almost a dozen e36s stock, bolt-on, cammed, supercharged, turbo, track setups and street setups, and 3 e46s all NA, but all modded. They all seemed to like to spin and hop no matter how I launched them, and had a nasty habbit of rotating off to the right as they left the line. I beat all the NA ones that I've raced, been 1-1 with Dinan s/c ones, and got my doors completely blown off by one turbo one (beat the other turbo one, but won't count it because he blew his head gasket right before running me and started billowing black and blue smoke).
They do NOT launch "badly," per se,but it is their only noticeable weakness in my opinion. It can't be denied that they are not designed to be drag cars from the get-go, but rather track cars.
It is also important to point out that you cannot easily fit larger than a 255 tire in back on an e36 m3, which contributes to difficulty launching, especially with 300, 400, or 500hp as several of the ones I've driven have/had.
edit: The best short time I could cut in either of the m3's I've taken down the track was ~2.20. The best either of their owners have cut to my knowledge is in the low 2.1x's, whereas the worst short time I've ever had in the stang is right around 2.2.
ORIGINAL: MrRogers
Racing, and beating your friends daddoes not provide adequate experience or provides enough backing to say that they do not luanch well. I've raced them and driven them too, and they all launch very well.You have to ask yourself, how does a car with at the most 215 FT LBS of torque hitting the back wheels have trouble launching? But I have my opinion and you have yours,
ORIGINAL: Sleeper05
I've driven them, modded them, and raced them. My comment was drawn from experience in this regard. In my experience, the e36 m3 launches better than the e46, but the latter has a lot more *umph* up high. I raced my dad's friend's tiptronic (or whatever the brand name is for it with BMW) 2003 m3 when I had just an intake and 4.10s. I put 2 car lengths on him by 40mph, and pulled one additional length by 100. From a 40mph roll, I did not make any huge jumps, but pulled steadily up to 100, finishing about 1.5 lengths ahead. '95s, '96s, and '99s my friends had all gave me a better run from a dig, but did not hold up at all from a roll.
They are beasts for 3L and 3.2L, repectively, though!
ORIGINAL: MrRogers
I dissagree. With only 260FT LBS of torque, the M3s can luanch very easily. I beleive the the 333HP motors are only for this years models. The engine performs very well up in the high rpms. They are a foe to be reconed with.
ORIGINAL: Sleeper05
From a dig, an e46 m3 is quite beatable. They are easily capable of mid 13s stock, but do not launch well, dominating in roll races and corner-carving with their tuned suspension and peppy i6 motor. However, they do NOT live up to their 333hp on a moderate-weight car, IMO. Good kill, though you might be exaggerating the "4 car lengths" part.
From a dig, an e46 m3 is quite beatable. They are easily capable of mid 13s stock, but do not launch well, dominating in roll races and corner-carving with their tuned suspension and peppy i6 motor. However, they do NOT live up to their 333hp on a moderate-weight car, IMO. Good kill, though you might be exaggerating the "4 car lengths" part.
They are beasts for 3L and 3.2L, repectively, though!
does not provide adequate experience or provides enough backing to say that they do not luanch well. I've raced them and driven them too, and they all launch very well.You have to ask yourself, how does a car with at the most 215 FT LBS of torque hitting the back wheels have trouble launching? But I have my opinion and you have yours,
They do NOT launch "badly," per se,but it is their only noticeable weakness in my opinion. It can't be denied that they are not designed to be drag cars from the get-go, but rather track cars.
It is also important to point out that you cannot easily fit larger than a 255 tire in back on an e36 m3, which contributes to difficulty launching, especially with 300, 400, or 500hp as several of the ones I've driven have/had.
edit: The best short time I could cut in either of the m3's I've taken down the track was ~2.20. The best either of their owners have cut to my knowledge is in the low 2.1x's, whereas the worst short time I've ever had in the stang is right around 2.2.
I can see how the tire tread can provide a considerable amount of difficulty, but not much more than you would find with most other cars in the same HP category. They indeed arenot drag cars by nature but the engines HP/torque setup seems to compliment practical street race usage. I wonder what changes are coming for the M3 drivetrain next year when it gets a 400HP engine. If the current chasis is kept in tact,it could proveunfortanute for any type of launch.
