Played with a SS
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From: North Cackilacky
RE: Played with a SS
ORIGINAL: Sleeper05
98--Why is it that none of us, or anyone any of us has ever talked to, has ever seen an LS2 goat run nearly what you guys claim it always does? Also, why is it that LS1 fbodies never run the times you guys claim they always do when any of us get out to the track?
I counted at least 7 LS1 cars that bested well worse than me on Saturday, and I ran like shlt. The only ones that impressed me were one LS2 goat that ran 11.9 on the bottle, and a pair of camaros that ran mid-12s with cams, granted that everyone had trouble getting below 2.20 60' out there.
There are many factors that play into a car with slightly less power winning. Traction, suspension, gearing, torque curve, redline, ease of shifting (manual), shift firmness (auto), chassis stiffness (getting power to the ground), aerodynamics, weight, etc. From what I have seen and researched, the s197 has the advantage in all of those categories except aero, and weight, with an occasional torque curve that has more area under it for a given peak tq. It is totally reasonable for an equal power stang to walk an LS1. I've done it and countless others have too.
98--Why is it that none of us, or anyone any of us has ever talked to, has ever seen an LS2 goat run nearly what you guys claim it always does? Also, why is it that LS1 fbodies never run the times you guys claim they always do when any of us get out to the track?
I counted at least 7 LS1 cars that bested well worse than me on Saturday, and I ran like shlt. The only ones that impressed me were one LS2 goat that ran 11.9 on the bottle, and a pair of camaros that ran mid-12s with cams, granted that everyone had trouble getting below 2.20 60' out there.
There are many factors that play into a car with slightly less power winning. Traction, suspension, gearing, torque curve, redline, ease of shifting (manual), shift firmness (auto), chassis stiffness (getting power to the ground), aerodynamics, weight, etc. From what I have seen and researched, the s197 has the advantage in all of those categories except aero, and weight, with an occasional torque curve that has more area under it for a given peak tq. It is totally reasonable for an equal power stang to walk an LS1. I've done it and countless others have too.
How many of your friends cut 1.6 short times on Nitto's and stock suspension with just bolt-ons and a 3600 stall? My car did it.
Did you honestly say that your car has a better torque curve than an LS1?
LS1 f-bodies come with a better suspension, a better power curve throughout the whole band, not to mention more power, and a MUCH better tranny, both manual or automatic.
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RE: Played with a SS
ROTM--30mph winds kicked up a lot of dust, on a day that peaked in the mid-40s with wind chill.
JUG--I've seen our last 3 presidents [8D]. My point was that it seems all to common for the LSx guys to see it happen once and claim that they all do it, when it is just unrealistic that every stock and mild bolt-on LS1 runs high 12s, and every goat runs 13 flat. In reality, they might be capable of that with a good factory car, a great driver, and perfect conditions, but when 80% of those guys run mid 13s on race day, it discredits the argument. There is a guy on this forum that has run 12.30 @ 109 in his stock-motor bolt-on 2005 mustang GT, not on slicks, but we all don't claim that even a bad driver could run a 12.50 with theirs when it's far more common to run 12.80-13.20 @ 106-108. I have personally trapped higher than 109 (110.8, 109.68, 109.2x), but I don't come on here claiming to be able to run 12.20s...I am happy with a high-12s car.
JUG--I've seen our last 3 presidents [8D]. My point was that it seems all to common for the LSx guys to see it happen once and claim that they all do it, when it is just unrealistic that every stock and mild bolt-on LS1 runs high 12s, and every goat runs 13 flat. In reality, they might be capable of that with a good factory car, a great driver, and perfect conditions, but when 80% of those guys run mid 13s on race day, it discredits the argument. There is a guy on this forum that has run 12.30 @ 109 in his stock-motor bolt-on 2005 mustang GT, not on slicks, but we all don't claim that even a bad driver could run a 12.50 with theirs when it's far more common to run 12.80-13.20 @ 106-108. I have personally trapped higher than 109 (110.8, 109.68, 109.2x), but I don't come on here claiming to be able to run 12.20s...I am happy with a high-12s car.
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From: yep
RE: Played with a SS
its like the guy from the MM&FF mag (i think) who got a 12.8 or something out of a bone stock new edge...then people here are saying "my car is capable ot 12.8s because so and so did it".
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RE: Played with a SS
ORIGINAL: nanaki
again sleeper. a few guys run a low 13 in an s197 and suddenly they all do it.
again sleeper. a few guys run a low 13 in an s197 and suddenly they all do it.
Note to ROTM and others: Above I clearly state "...stock I haven't seen one run better than high 13.70s..." and never claimed that the tuned one was indeed stock.
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From: yep
RE: Played with a SS
"tuned a little" isnt stock...its tuned a little. some people here need to learn what STOCK means...like the guy with a fox who ran 12.70s and claimed to be stock, but then had a laundry list of mods...but he said that its still stock because "Everyone has those mods".
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From: North Cackilacky
RE: Played with a SS
Haha, my car never had a tune on it til I went larger than a 100hp shot and put a huge *** cam in it.....if I'd been tuned I'd most likely picked up 20rwhp....afterall, that's what everyone else picks up. 