stock versus stock
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RE: stock versus stock
ORIGINAL: joshafmil
from what i know, the z28 camaro is going to have a 400 hp ls2 (same as the goat) the v6 will be a high output (prolly in the range of 260-280) and the SS will be the z06 engine toned down a few hp. the next gen of fords are rumored with a 280hp v6 3.6L (ford has a new v6 engine coming out soon thats smaller then the current 4.0 but more powerful) a 400hp 5.0L for the GT and the cobra or BOSS (whatever they name it) will prolly be around 550hp. they are talking about increasing the cobras hp by about 15 next year.
if the camaro has ANY LS series engine, it will be prefect for modding.
as far as the challenger, now im not saying the Ford GT500 isnt a boat, but the challenger probubly will be a land yacht. its just dodge's thing.
ORIGINAL: GMhipo
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I disagree about the new Camaro being behind the 8 ball. I think the ls1 after market will be compatible. The 4.8, 5.3, and the 6.0 are based off the LS1. Unless it's a totally new engine I think the new Camaro is in a good placeas far asthe after market.
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I disagree about the new Camaro being behind the 8 ball. I think the ls1 after market will be compatible. The 4.8, 5.3, and the 6.0 are based off the LS1. Unless it's a totally new engine I think the new Camaro is in a good placeas far asthe after market.
if the camaro has ANY LS series engine, it will be prefect for modding.
as far as the challenger, now im not saying the Ford GT500 isnt a boat, but the challenger probubly will be a land yacht. its just dodge's thing.
I like the sound of that but I'll have to see to believe it. I don't see the standard V8 cars making over 350hp. The Cobra/Boss, Challenger SRT-8, and the SS Camaro all bets are off but, insurance rates IMO will limit the output of the GT,Z28, and the R/T. However, the standard V8 cars should be very tuneable across the board.
I think these cars will be the first nail in the coffin of the ricer boy's. I think the 350z, Evo and WRX will still have there place but the days of tuning Civics I think will be over.
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RE: stock versus stock
Yea, I'm currently registered on a Challenger forum..........latest word is that they will weigh in at 4000-4100 lbs curb weight.[&:] Future Challenger owners also better hope DCX untightens its buttcheeks when it comes to aftermarket modifications to its HEMI engines........or the new Challengers will be in danger of becoming boulevard cruisers.[:'(] The proposed 6.4 HEMI for the SRT model does show promise........I'm just kinda curious how fast these things are gonna be able to get with all that weight, an IRS, and a 6 speed manual. We shall see....
As far as the thread topic.....well, if there's any truth to the 03/04 Cobras being a "tad" bit overrated HP-wise........then I give it to the Cobra. More HP/ less weight.
As far as the thread topic.....well, if there's any truth to the 03/04 Cobras being a "tad" bit overrated HP-wise........then I give it to the Cobra. More HP/ less weight.
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RE: stock versus stock
ORIGINAL: GMhipo
Well if you look at the Chevy and Ford line up Chevy beats the 5.4 with a 5.3 and beats the 4.6 with a 4.8 in thier pick-up line as far as horse power goes. Also I'd add that the F-bods, Vette,GTO and the whole Chevy V8 line up returns better fuel mileage the any compareable Ford.
As i recall a couple years ago Joe Gibbs was offering a blown Silverado that matched the lightings output using a 4.8 Chevy V8. Also the rumored Vette SS according to Autoweek is going to use a 6.2 liter blown V8 instead on the 7.0 and should produce 650hp.
ORIGINAL: 2oo5stang
how come when ford has it at 4.6 281 cubes and chevy has a 5.7 or 6.0 liter engine, we race, the chevy fans are like, we kicked your *** and it's fair. though when ford sticks a blower on a small cubed motor, chevy fans are first to say it's not fair?? maybe if they had the same liters and cubes and then ford stuck a blower on it, then i would see it's unfair.
how come when ford has it at 4.6 281 cubes and chevy has a 5.7 or 6.0 liter engine, we race, the chevy fans are like, we kicked your *** and it's fair. though when ford sticks a blower on a small cubed motor, chevy fans are first to say it's not fair?? maybe if they had the same liters and cubes and then ford stuck a blower on it, then i would see it's unfair.
As i recall a couple years ago Joe Gibbs was offering a blown Silverado that matched the lightings output using a 4.8 Chevy V8. Also the rumored Vette SS according to Autoweek is going to use a 6.2 liter blown V8 instead on the 7.0 and should produce 650hp.
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RE: stock versus stock
ORIGINAL: sw07gt
All I know is that my friend gets about 12 MPG in his 2002 Camaro SS and I get around 20 in my 2007 Mustang GT. I don't see how thats better.
ORIGINAL: GMhipo
Well if you look at the Chevy and Ford line up Chevy beats the 5.4 with a 5.3 and beats the 4.6 with a 4.8 in thier pick-up line as far as horse power goes. Also I'd add that the F-bods, Vette,GTO and the whole Chevy V8 line up returns better fuel mileage the any compareable Ford.
As i recall a couple years ago Joe Gibbs was offering a blown Silverado that matched the lightings output using a 4.8 Chevy V8. Also the rumored Vette SS according to Autoweek is going to use a 6.2 liter blown V8 instead on the 7.0 and should produce 650hp.
ORIGINAL: 2oo5stang
how come when ford has it at 4.6 281 cubes and chevy has a 5.7 or 6.0 liter engine, we race, the chevy fans are like, we kicked your *** and it's fair. though when ford sticks a blower on a small cubed motor, chevy fans are first to say it's not fair?? maybe if they had the same liters and cubes and then ford stuck a blower on it, then i would see it's unfair.
how come when ford has it at 4.6 281 cubes and chevy has a 5.7 or 6.0 liter engine, we race, the chevy fans are like, we kicked your *** and it's fair. though when ford sticks a blower on a small cubed motor, chevy fans are first to say it's not fair?? maybe if they had the same liters and cubes and then ford stuck a blower on it, then i would see it's unfair.
As i recall a couple years ago Joe Gibbs was offering a blown Silverado that matched the lightings output using a 4.8 Chevy V8. Also the rumored Vette SS according to Autoweek is going to use a 6.2 liter blown V8 instead on the 7.0 and should produce 650hp.
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RE: stock versus stock
ORIGINAL: sw07gt
All I know is that my friend gets about 12 MPG in his 2002 Camaro SS and I get around 20 in my 2007 Mustang GT. I don't see how thats better.
All I know is that my friend gets about 12 MPG in his 2002 Camaro SS and I get around 20 in my 2007 Mustang GT. I don't see how thats better.
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From: Louisiana
RE: stock versus stock
I love it when V8 car guys start getting in pissing matches over who makes better fuel economy
When the mood strikes me just right.......I probably get about5 mpg. And I'm daaaaaamn proud of it.[8D]
You want fuel economy.............the Prius awaits you.
When the mood strikes me just right.......I probably get about5 mpg. And I'm daaaaaamn proud of it.[8D]
You want fuel economy.............the Prius awaits you.
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RE: stock versus stock
ORIGINAL: 72MachOne99GT
It doesn't matter. When the new Camaro, redesigned Mustang, and new Challenger come out, they'll all be faster than my car......*sad smiley*
It doesn't matter. When the new Camaro, redesigned Mustang, and new Challenger come out, they'll all be faster than my car......*sad smiley*
BTW, you def need a pic of your mach in your sig...
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RE: stock versus stock
ORIGINAL: joshafmil
oh ill admit the start of the 4.6 basically sucked ballz. and ill also admit i wish ford would just cram a pushrod high cube engine into the mustang. BUT im loyal to my stang.... both gm and ford have their flaws... like how camaros dont have true dual exhaust.
i have no problem with american V8's i love mostly all of them. but just because stock vs stock the base line z28 beats the GT doesnt mean crap. who doesnt plan on upgrading their car. i have a few ideas of what i want to do car wise in the next few years, and all of them have something to do with a mustang engine[8D]
ORIGINAL: GMhipo
You kinda missed about 90% of mypost there but ok. Do you really want to play the just wait game? We waited 8 years forthe mustangtokinda be competitivewith LS1 at the race track and even still isn't quite there.
ORIGINAL: joshafmil
when it comes to racing a v8... since when does "fuel mileage" matter. i mean, unless your tank is the size of a bucket, and you only get 3mpg... it really doesnt play a factor.
the last time i heard someone say "my car gets better gas mileage" was when i blew the doors off my friends rice-a-ronie "sport" bucket.
just wait till ford brings back the BOSS. suposedly its going to be 5.0L and will put out about 400hp for the new line of GT's. oh and its also going to be cutting out 4 of the 8 cylinders to save on gas, if thats still a factor for ya
ORIGINAL: GMhipo
Well if you look at the Chevy and Ford line up Chevy beats the 5.4 with a 5.3 and beats the 4.6 with a 4.8 in thier pick-up line as far as horse power goes. Also I'd add that the F-bods, Vette,GTO and the whole Chevy V8 line up returns better fuel mileage the any compareable Ford.
As i recall a couple years ago Joe Gibbs was offering a blown Silverado that matched the lightings output using a 4.8 Chevy V8. Also the rumored Vette SS according to Autoweek is going to use a 6.2 liter blown V8 instead on the 7.0 and should produce 650hp.
ORIGINAL: 2oo5stang
how come when ford has it at 4.6 281 cubes and chevy has a 5.7 or 6.0 liter engine, we race, the chevy fans are like, we kicked your *** and it's fair. though when ford sticks a blower on a small cubed motor, chevy fans are first to say it's not fair?? maybe if they had the same liters and cubes and then ford stuck a blower on it, then i would see it's unfair.
how come when ford has it at 4.6 281 cubes and chevy has a 5.7 or 6.0 liter engine, we race, the chevy fans are like, we kicked your *** and it's fair. though when ford sticks a blower on a small cubed motor, chevy fans are first to say it's not fair?? maybe if they had the same liters and cubes and then ford stuck a blower on it, then i would see it's unfair.
As i recall a couple years ago Joe Gibbs was offering a blown Silverado that matched the lightings output using a 4.8 Chevy V8. Also the rumored Vette SS according to Autoweek is going to use a 6.2 liter blown V8 instead on the 7.0 and should produce 650hp.
the last time i heard someone say "my car gets better gas mileage" was when i blew the doors off my friends rice-a-ronie "sport" bucket.
just wait till ford brings back the BOSS. suposedly its going to be 5.0L and will put out about 400hp for the new line of GT's. oh and its also going to be cutting out 4 of the 8 cylinders to save on gas, if thats still a factor for ya
i have no problem with american V8's i love mostly all of them. but just because stock vs stock the base line z28 beats the GT doesnt mean crap. who doesnt plan on upgrading their car. i have a few ideas of what i want to do car wise in the next few years, and all of them have something to do with a mustang engine[8D]
lets just be thankful none of us drive this...
