6.0 GTO
Joined: Jun 2007
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RE: 6.0 GTO
ORIGINAL: stanger99
I am soon to be running weld's with a nice set of either m/t's or slicks. As far as wheel hop goes on an A4 its a matter of dragbags and some real good tires. M6 is little but more work..
I am soon to be running weld's with a nice set of either m/t's or slicks. As far as wheel hop goes on an A4 its a matter of dragbags and some real good tires. M6 is little but more work..
Planning to see how she runs at a track somewhere? I am curious to see how you make out? I figure you might not post it here but if you are on a GTO forum let me know.
6th Gear Member
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,278
From: Gainesville, FL
RE: 6.0 GTO
Actually I was incorrect. What i should have said is wheel hop is caused by something with the suspension flexing. In the s197's case it's the rubber bushings in the stock arms and the arms themselves to a less extent. Stickier tires themselves don't lessen wheel hop, but will lessen wheel spin. I wouldn't put drag radials or slicks on a car with wheel hop problems, it should only make things worse and eventually break something.
Putting on less sticky tires will reduce wheel hop because if the tire can't gain traction, the suspension can't flex and the tire can't jump off the ground.
Putting on less sticky tires will reduce wheel hop because if the tire can't gain traction, the suspension can't flex and the tire can't jump off the ground.
ORIGINAL: 71torino
You are absolutely correct that changing to a better tire will increase wheel hop if you have the power to break loose the better tire. So the main reason for a better tire is better traction overthe horrible stock all season tires. In my case, better traction meant less frequency that I would break loose the tires risking wheel hop.
On the new GTO the cheap way to reduce wheel hop is a set of drag bags on the back.
The more expensive way is the route I chose, ordering suspension components from Pedders, an aftermarket suspension company based out of Australia.
[ul][*]Street 1 bushing package, includes a rear diff bushing and various other bushings to help stiffen and obsorb the shock.[*]Rear drag springs and shocks.[*]I also added front springs and strut bushings. The strut bushings are typically collapsed either on the dealer lot or a few thousand miles after. I don't think the Aussies know how to tie them down on the ship over. They put too much stress on the front strut bushings.[/ul]
Even after all of this I will never 100% eliminate wheel hop. However, it is drastically reduced. If I break loose now it just spins the tires. I have to be on a very uneven surface to start the tire oscillation for the wheel hop to be induced.
ORIGINAL: moosestang
What can you do on a GTO to help eliminate wheel hop? On the new mustangs you simply replace the stock arms on the three link suspension with ones with solid bushings or poly bushings. Changing your tires to ones with better traction should actually increase wheel hop, assuming you have the power to break them loose of course.
ORIGINAL: 71torino
I would be very suprised to see a GTO hit the 11's on street tires. I am not sure if stanger99 has 17's or 18's. I have 17's. After my dyno tune I made 495 RWHP and 478 RWTQ on a Mustang dyno. I can say the stock 17's were pretty much useless in 1st or 2nd gears. I gave up and bought some Nitto 555 Drag Radials for the back just to get some traction, quit spinning and wheel hopping all over the place. Just like stanger99 was somewhat referencing, traction plays a big role. Hopefully he has some drag radials.
I would be very suprised to see a GTO hit the 11's on street tires. I am not sure if stanger99 has 17's or 18's. I have 17's. After my dyno tune I made 495 RWHP and 478 RWTQ on a Mustang dyno. I can say the stock 17's were pretty much useless in 1st or 2nd gears. I gave up and bought some Nitto 555 Drag Radials for the back just to get some traction, quit spinning and wheel hopping all over the place. Just like stanger99 was somewhat referencing, traction plays a big role. Hopefully he has some drag radials.
On the new GTO the cheap way to reduce wheel hop is a set of drag bags on the back.
The more expensive way is the route I chose, ordering suspension components from Pedders, an aftermarket suspension company based out of Australia.
[ul][*]Street 1 bushing package, includes a rear diff bushing and various other bushings to help stiffen and obsorb the shock.[*]Rear drag springs and shocks.[*]I also added front springs and strut bushings. The strut bushings are typically collapsed either on the dealer lot or a few thousand miles after. I don't think the Aussies know how to tie them down on the ship over. They put too much stress on the front strut bushings.[/ul]
Even after all of this I will never 100% eliminate wheel hop. However, it is drastically reduced. If I break loose now it just spins the tires. I have to be on a very uneven surface to start the tire oscillation for the wheel hop to be induced.
2nd Gear Member
Joined: Mar 2006
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RE: 6.0 GTO
ORIGINAL: 71torino
Sounds about right to me. I have the M6, stock, thewheel hop was evident. After the Maggie upgrade, a hard launch, I thought the whole rear was going to come out from under me. After the suspension mods it is much better now. With the initial torture I put the rear through, for the first month or so,I guess it does show that the rear diff and axle stubs aren't quite as weak as we thought.
Planning to see how she runs at a track somewhere? I am curious to see how you make out? I figure you might not post it here but if you are on a GTO forum let me know.
ORIGINAL: stanger99
I am soon to be running weld's with a nice set of either m/t's or slicks. As far as wheel hop goes on an A4 its a matter of dragbags and some real good tires. M6 is little but more work..
I am soon to be running weld's with a nice set of either m/t's or slicks. As far as wheel hop goes on an A4 its a matter of dragbags and some real good tires. M6 is little but more work..
Planning to see how she runs at a track somewhere? I am curious to see how you make out? I figure you might not post it here but if you are on a GTO forum let me know.
2nd Gear Member
Joined: Mar 2006
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RE: 6.0 GTO
ORIGINAL: Frostbitten
I think this is BS. I raced a 6.0 GTO the other day and he stuck right next to me. It would kill an 05+ GT with only bolt ons......they have 100 more HP than you.....
I think this is BS. I raced a 6.0 GTO the other day and he stuck right next to me. It would kill an 05+ GT with only bolt ons......they have 100 more HP than you.....
6th Gear Member
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,278
From: Gainesville, FL
RE: 6.0 GTO
another believer in the allmighty horse power numbers.
https://mustangforums.com/m_3288620/tm.htm
It's closer to 50hp after it gets to the wheels and then there's the problem of keeping the wheels on the ground at the line. Of course there is a weight difference as well even though a certain yellow boy on here doesn't think so. His car defies the laws of curb weight it seems.
What does your 03 run in the 1/4?
https://mustangforums.com/m_3288620/tm.htm
It's closer to 50hp after it gets to the wheels and then there's the problem of keeping the wheels on the ground at the line. Of course there is a weight difference as well even though a certain yellow boy on here doesn't think so. His car defies the laws of curb weight it seems.
What does your 03 run in the 1/4?
ORIGINAL: Frostbitten
I think this is BS. I raced a 6.0 GTO the other day and he stuck right next to me. It would kill an 05+ GT with only bolt ons......they have 100 more HP than you.....
I think this is BS. I raced a 6.0 GTO the other day and he stuck right next to me. It would kill an 05+ GT with only bolt ons......they have 100 more HP than you.....
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 27
From:
RE: 6.0 GTO
ORIGINAL: moosestang
Actually I was incorrect. What i should have said is wheel hop is caused by something with the suspension flexing. In the s197's case it's the rubber bushings in the stock arms and the arms themselves to a less extent. Stickier tires themselves don't lessen wheel hop, but will lessen wheel spin. I wouldn't put drag radials or slicks on a car with wheel hop problems, it should only make things worse and eventually break something.
Putting on less sticky tires will reduce wheel hop because if the tire can't gain traction, the suspension can't flex and the tire can't jump off the ground.
Actually I was incorrect. What i should have said is wheel hop is caused by something with the suspension flexing. In the s197's case it's the rubber bushings in the stock arms and the arms themselves to a less extent. Stickier tires themselves don't lessen wheel hop, but will lessen wheel spin. I wouldn't put drag radials or slicks on a car with wheel hop problems, it should only make things worse and eventually break something.
Putting on less sticky tires will reduce wheel hop because if the tire can't gain traction, the suspension can't flex and the tire can't jump off the ground.
ORIGINAL: 71torino
You are absolutely correct that changing to a better tire will increase wheel hop if you have the power to break loose the better tire. So the main reason for a better tire is better traction overthe horrible stock all season tires. In my case, better traction meant less frequency that I would break loose the tires risking wheel hop.
On the new GTO the cheap way to reduce wheel hop is a set of drag bags on the back.
The more expensive way is the route I chose, ordering suspension components from Pedders, an aftermarket suspension company based out of Australia.
[ul][*]Street 1 bushing package, includes a rear diff bushing and various other bushings to help stiffen and obsorb the shock.[*]Rear drag springs and shocks.[*]I also added front springs and strut bushings. The strut bushings are typically collapsed either on the dealer lot or a few thousand miles after. I don't think the Aussies know how to tie them down on the ship over. They put too much stress on the front strut bushings.[/ul]
Even after all of this I will never 100% eliminate wheel hop. However, it is drastically reduced. If I break loose now it just spins the tires. I have to be on a very uneven surface to start the tire oscillation for the wheel hop to be induced.
ORIGINAL: moosestang
What can you do on a GTO to help eliminate wheel hop? On the new mustangs you simply replace the stock arms on the three link suspension with ones with solid bushings or poly bushings. Changing your tires to ones with better traction should actually increase wheel hop, assuming you have the power to break them loose of course.
ORIGINAL: 71torino
I would be very suprised to see a GTO hit the 11's on street tires. I am not sure if stanger99 has 17's or 18's. I have 17's. After my dyno tune I made 495 RWHP and 478 RWTQ on a Mustang dyno. I can say the stock 17's were pretty much useless in 1st or 2nd gears. I gave up and bought some Nitto 555 Drag Radials for the back just to get some traction, quit spinning and wheel hopping all over the place. Just like stanger99 was somewhat referencing, traction plays a big role. Hopefully he has some drag radials.
I would be very suprised to see a GTO hit the 11's on street tires. I am not sure if stanger99 has 17's or 18's. I have 17's. After my dyno tune I made 495 RWHP and 478 RWTQ on a Mustang dyno. I can say the stock 17's were pretty much useless in 1st or 2nd gears. I gave up and bought some Nitto 555 Drag Radials for the back just to get some traction, quit spinning and wheel hopping all over the place. Just like stanger99 was somewhat referencing, traction plays a big role. Hopefully he has some drag radials.
On the new GTO the cheap way to reduce wheel hop is a set of drag bags on the back.
The more expensive way is the route I chose, ordering suspension components from Pedders, an aftermarket suspension company based out of Australia.
[ul][*]Street 1 bushing package, includes a rear diff bushing and various other bushings to help stiffen and obsorb the shock.[*]Rear drag springs and shocks.[*]I also added front springs and strut bushings. The strut bushings are typically collapsed either on the dealer lot or a few thousand miles after. I don't think the Aussies know how to tie them down on the ship over. They put too much stress on the front strut bushings.[/ul]
Even after all of this I will never 100% eliminate wheel hop. However, it is drastically reduced. If I break loose now it just spins the tires. I have to be on a very uneven surface to start the tire oscillation for the wheel hop to be induced.
This is why after I installed drag radials and they broke loose, I thought the back end was going to come out from under the car. Now, after my Pedders suspension mods, the drag radials can break loose but just spin then finally grab, almost non existent wheel hop. Wheel hop can still occur if I break them loose over a very uneaven surface. The IRS suspension is trying to flex independently over the surface while the wheel is breaking loose then grabbing.
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