1.5LofFury

quick question, is the 6.4 using the old 6.1's block??? because if it's a bored and stroked 6.1 it could actually be lighter than the old 6.1.

Riptide

Stone:

GM? These are Fysler cars now. They are Italian.

USMCrebel

hopefuilly Fiat can show them the light of their errors. If fiat/ Ferrari cuts the weight out of the chargers and puts a high revving (8500rpm) v8 in their cars i might consider swapping from blue. If they put a v10 that revs to the stratosphere in the viper and keep the price about the same i would lean even more in that direction. i mean BMW has a 5.0 v10 with a 8250 redline 500hp torque suffers though, but a lightly modified M5 will keep pace with a Z over 120. HELL deleting the cats on them a few are putting 470rwhp down.
Fiat needs to put the pig on a diet first and foremost!

Riptide

IIRC. They designed those cars off an already existing platform (from Mercedes?) to save money. If they could've easily cut weight off they probably already would've done so.

The newer mustangs are no featherweights at 3500 lbs. either btw. Yah yah I know they are lighter than the 4000lb. dodge but the mustang is not a light car by any stretch. Hasn't been in a while actually.

USMCrebel

yeah the C class platform IIRC. they should've put the merc engine in it too and it would've been a BALLIN car ESP a 300C with the 5.4 S/C version!!!

98LS1

If Dodge is still using OHV motors in these cars, then the motor isn't what's weighing it down and just upping the cubes a bit isn't gonna be a problem. I bet the OHC 4.6L is bigger and heavier than an OHV 6.4L.

67mustang302

The car is just too freakin heavy. The 2011 GT will still be faster, with less power and a smaller engine. With a big engine they can make it go fast, sure, but what's it take to slow it down or make it turn? The problem with most of the American cars is the engineers don't seem to realize there's more to performance that raw power. With 480hp it will probably be slower on average still than a 412hp Mustang, but on a road course against the Mustang it would be like racing a school bus.

For the fanbase faithful sure, it's a decent car, tons of power, pin you back in the seat. The Challenger is definitely one of the better looking cars out there too. But not everyone wants to drive a tank.

USMCrebel

485 lbs for the 5.7 and the 3v is around 420lbs IIRC

Morbid Intentions

because dodge was kind if stupid and said "WE NEED AN IRON BLOCK!"

the 6.2L LS3 is 415lbs... and that is including 30lbs for the shipping crate... so call it less than 400lbs

such is life when you are smart and use an aluminum block

USMCrebel

^ this Aluminum is just as strong esp for a street application.