Difference between exhaust
The Godfather
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From: Temple, Texas
RE: Difference between exhaust
That's a lifetime warranty against MANUFACTURES DEFECTS. The warrenty covers any dings, or damage that occurs during shipping and also warranties agains any leaks that may occur due to bad welds, it does not warranty damage caused by installation, the user, or rust. Trust me, I deal with this crap every freeking day.
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RE: Difference between exhaust
ORIGINAL: jthorn9
I work in retail and 95% of the time, the more you pay, the better the product and the customer service, granted that isn't always true because I know of some expensive brands that suck ***** at both quality and service, but like I said, 9.5 times out of 10, you get a better overall product.
I work in retail and 95% of the time, the more you pay, the better the product and the customer service, granted that isn't always true because I know of some expensive brands that suck ***** at both quality and service, but like I said, 9.5 times out of 10, you get a better overall product.
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RE: Difference between exhaust
ORIGINAL: mustangman02232
forces also have a life time warrenty, so if they rust, get new ones. also ive only heard clips but they dont sound as raspery as the flows and dont pop as much
forces also have a life time warrenty, so if they rust, get new ones. also ive only heard clips but they dont sound as raspery as the flows and dont pop as much
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RE: Difference between exhaust
ORIGINAL: amrcnidyot
dont know where you guys got your info but i contacted forceautomotive and the force mufflers only have a 1 year warranty anyway.
ORIGINAL: mustangman02232
forces also have a life time warrenty, so if they rust, get new ones. also ive only heard clips but they dont sound as raspery as the flows and dont pop as much
forces also have a life time warrenty, so if they rust, get new ones. also ive only heard clips but they dont sound as raspery as the flows and dont pop as much
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RE: Difference between exhaust
ORIGINAL: jthorn9
And a cheaper product.
And a cheaper product.
i have 2 of them and about to recieve a third. they are better quality that My current Flowmaster 40's. my flowmaster 40's came aluminized except for where they were welded. they are rusting out pretty bad now. only time will tell how the Forces last but they cannot be any worse.
Force not only makes Mufflers but they make Brush bars for trucks and are pretty high quality products.
your retail experience really shows ignorance.
do you know anything about overhead projectors??? yeah they are damn expensive. do you know there are three major manufacturers of them that pretty much make projectors for other companies. you may get a Aiwa but in reality it's made by Sanyo. you really have no clue. the more you spend usually means 90% of the time you overpaid for the product that you could have gotten alot cheaper but another brand.
alot of people have used Force mufflers with excellent results. i for one will never buy another flowmaster again and i have bought a ton of them for my own cars as well as customers cars. not anymore.
The Godfather
Joined: Sep 2005
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From: Temple, Texas
RE: Difference between exhaust
No I know retail very well, for example, I'll use my own department, and the competitor, Lowes. Our best window is Anderson, their average 400 series double hung window cost $600. Lowes carries Pella, their equilivant cost about $500. Now slight differance, but huge quality differance, granted Pella is overrated crap anyways, but here's just to compare.
Anderson's average DP rating (how much wind it takes to break the glass) = 50 or 140 mph wind
Pella's Average Dp - 30
Anderson's warranty - lifetime on glass, 20 years on the window, warranties against almost anything, including, customer damaged, one or two window limit though on customer damage
Pella, lifetime on glass, 20 years on window, however they charge $300 to come out and just look at the windows before warranty, and their customer service bites ***.
Anderson's contruction - fusion welded vinyl with solid wooden interior, standard double strenth glass, 7/8" thick double pane, standard low e tint, standard argon filled, standard spot free window coating that prevents spots from forming on windows, standard, tempered on all doors and windows bigger than 3/0 X 6/0.
Pela - fusion welded vinyl with wood clad interior, standard single strenth glass, 5/8" thick double pane, standard low e tint, standard tempered on all bigger than 3/0 X 6/0
List goes on and on, but you get the point, you pay more for Anderson and get a much better product.
I'll use another example to explain what you're doing with summet.
Echo Weedeater - Cost $200, basic commercial grade, great for the everyday residential owner, lifetime warranty, forged internals, internal ignition system, direct feed air flow unit, paper style air filter lined with rubber that double seals to the intake to make sure no dirt gets in. Average life expectancy, 20 years
Homelite Weedeater - Cost $60, basic hosehold use, steel internals, direct feed intake, uses sponge like filter that does not filter out but the largest dirt and dust, 2 year limited warranty, average life 3-6 months.
Yet again 2 products, but the more expensive is the better deal.
Sorry, I have no experiance with Summet and they may very well make a decent muffler, but I've learned to be very weary of "CHEAP" products. Trust me, I've been doing this for 3 years, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Look, you've already went through 3 mufflers, granted their cheap enough, so your overall gains across time are about the same, but that does go for everything.
Anderson's average DP rating (how much wind it takes to break the glass) = 50 or 140 mph wind
Pella's Average Dp - 30
Anderson's warranty - lifetime on glass, 20 years on the window, warranties against almost anything, including, customer damaged, one or two window limit though on customer damage
Pella, lifetime on glass, 20 years on window, however they charge $300 to come out and just look at the windows before warranty, and their customer service bites ***.
Anderson's contruction - fusion welded vinyl with solid wooden interior, standard double strenth glass, 7/8" thick double pane, standard low e tint, standard argon filled, standard spot free window coating that prevents spots from forming on windows, standard, tempered on all doors and windows bigger than 3/0 X 6/0.
Pela - fusion welded vinyl with wood clad interior, standard single strenth glass, 5/8" thick double pane, standard low e tint, standard tempered on all bigger than 3/0 X 6/0
List goes on and on, but you get the point, you pay more for Anderson and get a much better product.
I'll use another example to explain what you're doing with summet.
Echo Weedeater - Cost $200, basic commercial grade, great for the everyday residential owner, lifetime warranty, forged internals, internal ignition system, direct feed air flow unit, paper style air filter lined with rubber that double seals to the intake to make sure no dirt gets in. Average life expectancy, 20 years
Homelite Weedeater - Cost $60, basic hosehold use, steel internals, direct feed intake, uses sponge like filter that does not filter out but the largest dirt and dust, 2 year limited warranty, average life 3-6 months.
Yet again 2 products, but the more expensive is the better deal.
Sorry, I have no experiance with Summet and they may very well make a decent muffler, but I've learned to be very weary of "CHEAP" products. Trust me, I've been doing this for 3 years, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Look, you've already went through 3 mufflers, granted their cheap enough, so your overall gains across time are about the same, but that does go for everything.
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RE: Difference between exhaust
ORIGINAL: jthorn9
No I know retail very well, for example, I'll use my own department, and the competitor, Lowes. Our best window is Anderson, their average 400 series double hung window cost $600. Lowes carries Pella, their equilivant cost about $500. Now slight differance, but huge quality differance, granted Pella is overrated crap anyways, but here's just to compare.
Anderson's average DP rating (how much wind it takes to break the glass) = 50 or 140 mph wind
Pella's Average Dp - 30
Anderson's warranty - lifetime on glass, 20 years on the window, warranties against almost anything, including, customer damaged, one or two window limit though on customer damage
Pella, lifetime on glass, 20 years on window, however they charge $300 to come out and just look at the windows before warranty, and their customer service bites ***.
Anderson's contruction - fusion welded vinyl with solid wooden interior, standard double strenth glass, 7/8" thick double pane, standard low e tint, standard argon filled, standard spot free window coating that prevents spots from forming on windows, standard, tempered on all doors and windows bigger than 3/0 X 6/0.
Pela - fusion welded vinyl with wood clad interior, standard single strenth glass, 5/8" thick double pane, standard low e tint, standard tempered on all bigger than 3/0 X 6/0
List goes on and on, but you get the point, you pay more for Anderson and get a much better product.
I'll use another example to explain what you're doing with summet.
Echo Weedeater - Cost $200, basic commercial grade, great for the everyday residential owner, lifetime warranty, forged internals, internal ignition system, direct feed air flow unit, paper style air filter lined with rubber that double seals to the intake to make sure no dirt gets in. Average life expectancy, 20 years
Homelite Weedeater - Cost $60, basic hosehold use, steel internals, direct feed intake, uses sponge like filter that does not filter out but the largest dirt and dust, 2 year limited warranty, average life 3-6 months.
Yet again 2 products, but the more expensive is the better deal.
Sorry, I have no experiance with Summet and they may very well make a decent muffler, but I've learned to be very weary of "CHEAP" products. Trust me, I've been doing this for 3 years, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Look, you've already went through 3 mufflers, granted their cheap enough, so your overall gains across time are about the same, but that does go for everything.
No I know retail very well, for example, I'll use my own department, and the competitor, Lowes. Our best window is Anderson, their average 400 series double hung window cost $600. Lowes carries Pella, their equilivant cost about $500. Now slight differance, but huge quality differance, granted Pella is overrated crap anyways, but here's just to compare.
Anderson's average DP rating (how much wind it takes to break the glass) = 50 or 140 mph wind
Pella's Average Dp - 30
Anderson's warranty - lifetime on glass, 20 years on the window, warranties against almost anything, including, customer damaged, one or two window limit though on customer damage
Pella, lifetime on glass, 20 years on window, however they charge $300 to come out and just look at the windows before warranty, and their customer service bites ***.
Anderson's contruction - fusion welded vinyl with solid wooden interior, standard double strenth glass, 7/8" thick double pane, standard low e tint, standard argon filled, standard spot free window coating that prevents spots from forming on windows, standard, tempered on all doors and windows bigger than 3/0 X 6/0.
Pela - fusion welded vinyl with wood clad interior, standard single strenth glass, 5/8" thick double pane, standard low e tint, standard tempered on all bigger than 3/0 X 6/0
List goes on and on, but you get the point, you pay more for Anderson and get a much better product.
I'll use another example to explain what you're doing with summet.
Echo Weedeater - Cost $200, basic commercial grade, great for the everyday residential owner, lifetime warranty, forged internals, internal ignition system, direct feed air flow unit, paper style air filter lined with rubber that double seals to the intake to make sure no dirt gets in. Average life expectancy, 20 years
Homelite Weedeater - Cost $60, basic hosehold use, steel internals, direct feed intake, uses sponge like filter that does not filter out but the largest dirt and dust, 2 year limited warranty, average life 3-6 months.
Yet again 2 products, but the more expensive is the better deal.
Sorry, I have no experiance with Summet and they may very well make a decent muffler, but I've learned to be very weary of "CHEAP" products. Trust me, I've been doing this for 3 years, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Look, you've already went through 3 mufflers, granted their cheap enough, so your overall gains across time are about the same, but that does go for everything.
also Pella windows are not bad at all. my parents have pella casements and have had them for 20 years with no issues. i have seen alot of andersons replaced.
ECHO compared to homelite??? that's not even a comparison. how about echo to Sthil or Husky.
and yeah i have a few echo's and a few sthils and i will say the sthils are a bit better for less although the echo's i have are 20 years old
The Godfather
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From: Temple, Texas
RE: Difference between exhaust
They have the old Pellas, the newer ones suck *****, just like the older Andersons, while good, aren't as good as the old Pellas, I'm talking about modern products. Also, basic Echo and Sthil have huge differances, but all in all, last year Echo beat sthil out for title of #1 in the basic commercial/residential polls. Sthil coverted to a 4 stroke engine and seriously screwed up with that one, while Echo stayed the same. Also, where have you been Sthils cost quite a bit more than Echo, and Husky, they fell out of the top ranks long ago, they're still good, but not what they used to be.