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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 01:53 PM
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ok so u would need forged internals on a 302 to be kinda safe with 500 but sooner or later that will even blow. But put forged internals in a 232 and u might be able to do 350 kinda safe on a forged 232. So ummmm i think your theroy is wrong.
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 01:59 PM
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No, you misunderstood me, mustangman was inferring you can do all that work to a V6, and not have problems, well I'm sorry to tell you, but the internals, like any other car, probably won't hold up if you romp on it a lot. Granted a 5.0L will blow at around 500 hp stock wise, but can go higher, much higher, if you know what you're doing, but it is a good idea to have forged internals on anything over 300-350 hp. V6s can take much more abuse because of their smaller size, but they still need forged internals to take boost after a certain point.
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 06:02 PM
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you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8

Old Dec 29, 2006 | 11:09 PM
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Exactly how much money do you have, because this is like the 100th time this month where I've read

Hey, I'm getting a (insert F/I class here) and I need to know what to do, or

Hi, I'm new what does an (insert F/I class here) cost, or

Hey, looking at swaping engines, what all is involved?

Seriously, I read these every ten seconds, and nobody does it, make sure you have enough money, because none of these mods are cheap, twin turbo, that's at least $5000 right there, engine swap, hope you're not looking into putting a V8 in the car, because that's another $4000-6000+ dollars just to do the swap. Seriously, make sure you know how much this stuff is gonna cost before you ask, these threads appear litterally once to twice a day.

If you want to make it fast you can do it semi cheaply with a good tuned 100 rwhp shot of nitrous oxide, along with a gear swap and limited differential swap, you'll be running sweet times in no time at all.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 11:21 PM
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you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8


dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
Old Dec 30, 2006 | 12:06 AM
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you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8


dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
sorry to disapoint ya, but i talk to more then one person, of people who have dont it to their car, and have proof of their car

please with your mast knowlage of your "325 HP supercharged V-6 (or was it a low 13 second bottle fed 3.8 with a bent rod? or wasnt there the low 14 second car with full bolt ons and some other crap?) why prochargers suck *****
Old Dec 30, 2006 | 12:16 AM
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you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8


dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
sorry to disapoint ya, but i talk to more then one person, of people who have dont it to their car, and have proof of their car

please with your mast knowlage of your "325 HP supercharged V-6 why prochargers suck *****
because they grenade themselves. see my post in the electric supercharger thread. i am not telling you this crap again
Old Dec 30, 2006 | 12:26 PM
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you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8


dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
ya know you haven't posted anything correct since you came back and changed your name to deezelnut.

first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.

if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.

i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.

air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.

my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.

on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.

try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.

not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.

most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.

V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
Old Dec 30, 2006 | 12:29 PM
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ok so u would need forged internals on a 302 to be kinda safe with 500 but sooner or later that will even blow. But put forged internals in a 232 and u might be able to do 350 kinda safe on a forged 232. So ummmm i think your theroy is wrong.
try 700+ hp on stock crank/block with forged rods and pistons

no offense but don't comment on the 3.8 if you know nothing about them. i'll bet you didn't know Ford copied the Buick 231 loosly to make the 3.8 essex ford and that the heads were based off of 351C heads but with alot less canting of the valves though they are still canted they look more inline.

you theory is wrong. sorry
Old Dec 30, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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quote from deezelnut that i kindly fixed

"maybe i shouldgrenade myself. see my uneducatedpost in the electric supercharger thread. all i am telling you is this crap again"



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