Upgrade Engine
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I was not meaning to knock a 232 im just stating a fact that to build a 232 with 500+hp and be reliable and take in account all the other supporting mods ull need for that much HP. You could get a 5.0 that would put down 500+ for less money and be just as reliable. But hey if you wanna build a 15k 232 then by all means go ahead i wouldnt mind having one but untill then ill stick to my V8 rumble. But hey its still a FORD so were all good
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ORIGINAL: cobra232
ya know you haven't posted anything correct since you came back and changed your name to deezelnut.
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
ORIGINAL: deezelnut
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
ORIGINAL: mustangman02232
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
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ORIGINAL: disturbed471985
I was not meaning to knock a 232 im just stating a fact that to build a 232 with 500+hp and be reliable and take in account all the other supporting mods ull need for that much HP. You could get a 5.0 that would put down 500+ for less money and be just as reliable. But hey if you wanna build a 15k 232 then by all means go ahead i wouldnt mind having one but untill then ill stick to my V8 rumble. But hey its still a FORD so were all good
I was not meaning to knock a 232 im just stating a fact that to build a 232 with 500+hp and be reliable and take in account all the other supporting mods ull need for that much HP. You could get a 5.0 that would put down 500+ for less money and be just as reliable. But hey if you wanna build a 15k 232 then by all means go ahead i wouldnt mind having one but untill then ill stick to my V8 rumble. But hey its still a FORD so were all good
BTW, a super strong 232 won't cost that much. an old 4.5 all forged Essex Nascar block can be had for around $8000 shipped
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RE: Upgrade Engine
ORIGINAL: deezelnut
oh. ok. then explain Sai's engine blowing at 14 PSI with a tune. i will wait for a while on this.
ORIGINAL: cobra232
ya know you haven't posted anything correct since you came back and changed your name to deezelnut.
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
ORIGINAL: deezelnut
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
ORIGINAL: mustangman02232
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
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to put it simple a V6 mustang 99-04 should not run past 4lbs of boost with stock internals,stock injectors, stock fuel system....period.....the internals esp. the fuel system most of all should be changed, along with a 8.8 rear, and some nice wide wheels...I plan on building a Twin Turbo kit...but will have the internals for it before the turbos are installed......rather change and not need it then need it and not change....safer is better then a blown engine right after the install
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ORIGINAL: deezelnut
wise words there.
BTW, a super strong 232 won't cost that much. an old 4.5 all forged Essex Nascar block can be had for around $8000 shipped
LOL! Only 8k
ORIGINAL: disturbed471985
I was not meaning to knock a 232 im just stating a fact that to build a 232 with 500+hp and be reliable and take in account all the other supporting mods ull need for that much HP. You could get a 5.0 that would put down 500+ for less money and be just as reliable. But hey if you wanna build a 15k 232 then by all means go ahead i wouldnt mind having one but untill then ill stick to my V8 rumble. But hey its still a FORD so were all good
I was not meaning to knock a 232 im just stating a fact that to build a 232 with 500+hp and be reliable and take in account all the other supporting mods ull need for that much HP. You could get a 5.0 that would put down 500+ for less money and be just as reliable. But hey if you wanna build a 15k 232 then by all means go ahead i wouldnt mind having one but untill then ill stick to my V8 rumble. But hey its still a FORD so were all good
BTW, a super strong 232 won't cost that much. an old 4.5 all forged Essex Nascar block can be had for around $8000 shipped
LOL! Only 8k
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RE: Upgrade Engine
ORIGINAL: deezelnut
oh. ok. then explain Sai's engine blowing at 14 PSI with a tune. i will wait for a while on this.
ORIGINAL: cobra232
ya know you haven't posted anything correct since you came back and changed your name to deezelnut.
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
ORIGINAL: deezelnut
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
ORIGINAL: mustangman02232
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
you want a reliable DD with 500 HP and choose a 5.0? you needa forged short block with lifter vally girdles for more then 450-500 HP, you dont need that on a 3.8
they will cost the same to get above 500 HP for the simple fact that you dont need to buy a forged short block or crank for a 3.8, and 15k? you need around 7 to get into the 10s
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RE: Upgrade Engine
ORIGINAL: mustangman02232
he wasnt running an essex
you want a reliable DD with 500 HP and choose a 5.0? you needa forged short block with lifter vally girdles for more then 450-500 HP, you dont need that on a 3.8
they will cost the same to get above 500 HP for the simple fact that you dont need to buy a forged short block or crank for a 3.8, and 15k? you need around 7 to get into the 10s
ORIGINAL: deezelnut
oh. ok. then explain Sai's engine blowing at 14 PSI with a tune. i will wait for a while on this.
ORIGINAL: cobra232
ya know you haven't posted anything correct since you came back and changed your name to deezelnut.
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
ORIGINAL: deezelnut
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
ORIGINAL: mustangman02232
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
you want a reliable DD with 500 HP and choose a 5.0? you needa forged short block with lifter vally girdles for more then 450-500 HP, you dont need that on a 3.8
they will cost the same to get above 500 HP for the simple fact that you dont need to buy a forged short block or crank for a 3.8, and 15k? you need around 7 to get into the 10s
If you say so.
Your gonna need atleast 3k on sup so that leaves u with 4k now. 2k for a trans so now u have 2k. I wanna see you build this 500+ reliable stock 232 for 2k and thats if u already have the car. have fun with that! Also yes ididbuild a DD 500+hp 5.0.
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this whole post is funny, the only info i picked up from reading it is, cobra232 knows what hes talking about. deezelnut dosent and you should always upgrade 2 forged internals above 350hpon any engine so as not to chance it blowing up
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RE: Upgrade Engine
ORIGINAL: mustangman02232
he wasnt running an essex
you want a reliable DD with 500 HP and choose a 5.0? you needa forged short block with lifter vally girdles for more then 450-500 HP, you dont need that on a 3.8
they will cost the same to get above 500 HP for the simple fact that you dont need to buy a forged short block or crank for a 3.8, and 15k? you need around 7 to get into the 10s
ORIGINAL: deezelnut
oh. ok. then explain Sai's engine blowing at 14 PSI with a tune. i will wait for a while on this.
ORIGINAL: cobra232
ya know you haven't posted anything correct since you came back and changed your name to deezelnut.
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
ORIGINAL: deezelnut
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
ORIGINAL: mustangman02232
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
you want a reliable DD with 500 HP and choose a 5.0? you needa forged short block with lifter vally girdles for more then 450-500 HP, you dont need that on a 3.8
they will cost the same to get above 500 HP for the simple fact that you dont need to buy a forged short block or crank for a 3.8, and 15k? you need around 7 to get into the 10s