Upgrade Engine
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 33
RE: Upgrade Engine
Gears, Spray, Cold Air Intake, Underdrive Pulley, K&N air filter, Headers, Dual Catback Exhaust, Turbos, Superchargers.
Okay. That is pretty much all you can add. Now you can get some extra power rebuilding the engine and it will always make it easier on your engine with the increased power such has new pistons etc.
Okay. That is pretty much all you can add. Now you can get some extra power rebuilding the engine and it will always make it easier on your engine with the increased power such has new pistons etc.
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 33
RE: Upgrade Engine
ORIGINAL: jthorn9
...engine swap, hope you're not looking into putting a V8 in the car, because that's another $4000-6000+ dollars just to do the swap...
...engine swap, hope you're not looking into putting a V8 in the car, because that's another $4000-6000+ dollars just to do the swap...
I found a broken v6 engine fixed it. put it in my car and took out the old one. should be the same just a v8 instead of a v6.
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Joined: Dec 2004
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From: Ludlow, Mass
RE: Upgrade Engine
ORIGINAL: disturbed471985
If you say so.
Your gonna need atleast 3k on sup so that leaves u with 4k now. 2k for a trans so now u have 2k. I wanna see you build this 500+ reliable stock 232 for 2k and thats if u already have the car. have fun with that! Also yes ididbuild a DD 500+hp 5.0.
ORIGINAL: mustangman02232
he wasnt running an essex
you want a reliable DD with 500 HP and choose a 5.0? you needa forged short block with lifter vally girdles for more then 450-500 HP, you dont need that on a 3.8
they will cost the same to get above 500 HP for the simple fact that you dont need to buy a forged short block or crank for a 3.8, and 15k? you need around 7 to get into the 10s
ORIGINAL: deezelnut
oh. ok. then explain Sai's engine blowing at 14 PSI with a tune. i will wait for a while on this.
ORIGINAL: cobra232
ya know you haven't posted anything correct since you came back and changed your name to deezelnut.
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
ORIGINAL: deezelnut
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
ORIGINAL: mustangman02232
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
you need a new BLOCK for 500 HP on a 5.0, you need INTERNALS for 500 on a 3.8, a properly tune 14psi turbo will be fine on a stock 3.8
dude. STFU. you obviously have no clue. yes you need a new block for a 5.0 after 500 hp. but you need new internals for 350 hp for a v6. and 14 psi will not last long on a v6 before boom. i don't give a **** about the fact that Justin Starkey's car ran 17 PSI through stock internals once successfully, yeah, it got boosted down after that run. you should run 9 PSI max. MAX. and Prochargers suck *****. quit repeating everthing Cobra232 says and figure something out for yourself
first off MANY turbo 3.8's are on stock internals running 10-14psi and putting down 360-430rwhp. there are quite a few out there. J from 3.8 mustang is running 12.5 psi on his stock engine and 381 rwhp and is a daily driver.
if you knew anything you would know that boost pressure doesn't hurt an engine. detonation does. 14 psi 60# injectors and MAF with a good tune will last just as long as a stock setup. period.
i had an air compressor that was a 231 buick. 1 bank was the compressor the other bank was the engine to run it. the only thing different on the engine was the compressor head. the pistons and rods were all stock 231. guess what psi it generated?? 550psi with a 1" air hose i used this to sand blast dumptruck bodies and it never had any problems.
air is easily compressed. 12psi of boost equates to about 180-200psi cylinder pressure which is easily contained by the engine. run lean and boom.
my old stage 1 buicks would handle about 18 psi the stock setup before i had to change to stronger pistons .as you know the ford was copied off of the buick and is an extremely stout design.
on a good tune no one had been able to break the stock crank or split the block yet and 700+ HP has been obtained on the 3.8 block.
try that with a 302 using the stock block/crank and try making that power with ported stock off the showroom floor heads in the 302.
not knocking the 302 as it is a damn good engine but in comparison to the 3.8 essex the 302 design is inferior and weaker. there is no argument over that except for people that don't know and don't have experience with BOTH engines. is the 3.8 the best engine out there? no. but it is an excellent and overlooked and underappreciated/underestimated engine.
most V8 guys don't have experience with the 3.8 and assume cause it's a base engine and it's a 6 that it's weak when in fact it could have easily replaced the 302 in the 80's if ford would have turbo's the 3.8 and put it in the fox to compete against the Buick GN. Ford and V8 go hand in hand because of the Flathead which was the first sucessfull 1 peice casting of a V8 block.
V8 guy's out there please don't assume the 3.8 is weak because it's not an 8
you want a reliable DD with 500 HP and choose a 5.0? you needa forged short block with lifter vally girdles for more then 450-500 HP, you dont need that on a 3.8
they will cost the same to get above 500 HP for the simple fact that you dont need to buy a forged short block or crank for a 3.8, and 15k? you need around 7 to get into the 10s
If you say so.
Your gonna need atleast 3k on sup so that leaves u with 4k now. 2k for a trans so now u have 2k. I wanna see you build this 500+ reliable stock 232 for 2k and thats if u already have the car. have fun with that! Also yes ididbuild a DD 500+hp 5.0.
jmod/shift kit (for my auto) $100
$550 for true trac and girdle
thats $650
there are DD 3.8s out there with 450 HP, no one builds the 3.8s cause they are base motors and people think they are garbage
i hope you have girdles in the lifter vally with that 500 HP
i could of sworn i heard him say he wasnt running an essex but i cant even find his name right now for the post, either that or im higher then i though[8D]
Thread Starter
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2
RE: Upgrade Engine
Wow, didnt mean to start an argument. Thanks for some of the info money not an issue just looking for ideas. Im turning this car into a show car but I also wanna get a little more speed out of it. Im not looking to race, just looking for some more horsepower.
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RE: Upgrade Engine
ORIGINAL: tommy2273boy
could you put a 300 shot on a 427 block?
could you put a 300 shot on a 427 block?
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Joined: Aug 2004
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RE: Upgrade Engine
just because some people run nearly 400RWHP on the stock block, doesn't mean everybody can. some people run 500RWHP on 99-04 GTs, others kiss their rods goodbye at 400. there's no guarentee a block is going to hold X amount of power.
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RE: Upgrade Engine
Look into a new, fully ported upper and lower maniforld, new cylinder heads and a custom cam. you can add about 80 horses with these upgrades and it'll cost ya around 2,400 $ from supersixmotorsports.com. Add new headers, x-pipe and cats, new CAI, and new gears in the rear differential. get it tuned at a local shop and you could have around 330 HP compared to 190 p stock.
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Joined: Jul 2006
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From: CT
RE: Upgrade Engine
ORIGINAL: BLU6Stang
Look into a new, fully ported upper and lower maniforld, new cylinder heads and a custom cam. you can add about 80 horses with these upgrades and it'll cost ya around 2,400 $ from supersixmotorsports.com. Add new headers, x-pipe and cats, new CAI, and new gears in the rear differential. get it tuned at a local shop and you could have around 330 HP compared to 190 p stock.
Look into a new, fully ported upper and lower maniforld, new cylinder heads and a custom cam. you can add about 80 horses with these upgrades and it'll cost ya around 2,400 $ from supersixmotorsports.com. Add new headers, x-pipe and cats, new CAI, and new gears in the rear differential. get it tuned at a local shop and you could have around 330 HP compared to 190 p stock.