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Old Oct 15, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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Yes it will hurt your engine. You can't run it straight
sure you can. it's no different than any other gas except it has a higher amount of Heptane in it to increase the combustion temp.

if the car knocks at 87 octane rating then 100 would gain a couple of ponies. not likely that a stock singleport will knoch with 87 though. it would be a waste of money to put it in a stock singleport.


100 shot of nitrous or 11 psi procharger kit running the stock injectors with stock MAF and FMU then it will help
It would be a waste of money to put 100 octane into a stock Terminator. I'm surprised gas stations even carry that.
Old Oct 15, 2007 | 11:00 PM
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it would be a waste only for the reason that the dollar amount does not equal anything near a reasonable power gain but it would not harm your engine. as far as i know the computer in the car auto-adjusts for the increased octane (a.k.a. leans out the mixture).
Old Oct 15, 2007 | 11:07 PM
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yes i agree with the above statements. if you ran 100 octane i can almost gaurantee you your vehicle wont run as good plus it might even run worse due to the octane .

if you run boost and want chaep high octane use e-85 but youll have to switch injectors and a few other pieces.
Old Oct 15, 2007 | 11:11 PM
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it would be a waste only for the reason that the dollar amount does not equal anything near a reasonable power gain but it would not harm your engine. as far as i know the computer in the car auto-adjusts for the increased octane (a.k.a. leans out the mixture).
No no no... There's no reason to lean out the mixture. When a car is running lean or rich, it's talking about the air/fuel ratio. Octane doesn't have anything to do with that. Octane is a measure of the gasoline's ability to not cause spark knock. A car running a higher octane gasoline won't be running richer. You can have super 10,000 awesome cool octane gas in your car. The injectors will still shoot out the same amount of fuel to keep the a/f ratio where it needs to be no matter what the octane is.
Old Oct 15, 2007 | 11:29 PM
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Iv run it through mine and it was only for 1 track run to see if it would make a diffrence and the only diffrence I had was "i think" .3 and Im not even sure if it was the fuel that helped. I personally wouldnt use it for the simple fact your car doesnt require the octane rating and well save the 4 extra bucks.
Old Oct 16, 2007 | 08:26 AM
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it would be a waste only for the reason that the dollar amount does not equal anything near a reasonable power gain but it would not harm your engine. as far as i know the computer in the car auto-adjusts for the increased octane (a.k.a. leans out the mixture).
No no no... There's no reason to lean out the mixture. When a car is running lean or rich, it's talking about the air/fuel ratio. Octane doesn't have anything to do with that. Octane is a measure of the gasoline's ability to not cause spark knock. A car running a higher octane gasoline won't be running richer. You can have super 10,000 awesome cool octane gas in your car. The injectors will still shoot out the same amount of fuel to keep the a/f ratio where it needs to be no matter what the octane is.
octane rating and air/fuel ratio go hand and hand if a car has Knock sensors. if the sensors detect spark knock the ECU adjusts fuel/air ratio to be richer and retards timing to reduce detonation. 3.8's don't have knock sensors though so you are correct for the 3.8

terminators do have knock sensors and 100 octane does help them
Old Oct 17, 2007 | 07:45 PM
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ummm fouled plugs any1 [&:]
How? The car won't run any richer with higher octane fuel. All octane is is a gasoline's resistence to spark knock. Fouled plugs are from running the car rich, and the a/f ratio won't chage with high octane fuel.
This is a common misconception. Octane is a reading of how fast or slow the fuel will "burn" in the combustion chamber. Higher octane fuel burns slower and more controlled. Higher octane fuel in a car not tuned for it will do nothing but lose power as you will have timing not optimized for the fuel. The ignition timing needs to be timed to allow combustion chamber pressure to reach maximum pressure just as the piston is starting on the down stroke. Higher octane fuel needs more ignition timing to accomplish this. Lower octane fuel is more susceptible to burning uncontrollably or too "quick", causing maximum pressure before TDC, causing the engine to want to kick the opposite direction. This is why detonation damages parts. Short version is you are a fool to spend money on anything but 87 octane on a stock v6.
Old Oct 17, 2007 | 09:30 PM
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ummm fouled plugs any1 [&:]
How? The car won't run any richer with higher octane fuel. All octane is is a gasoline's resistence to spark knock. Fouled plugs are from running the car rich, and the a/f ratio won't chage with high octane fuel.
This is a common misconception. Octane is a reading of how fast or slow the fuel will "burn" in the combustion chamber. Higher octane fuel burns slower and more controlled. Higher octane fuel in a car not tuned for it will do nothing but lose power as you will have timing not optimized for the fuel. The ignition timing needs to be timed to allow combustion chamber pressure to reach maximum pressure just as the piston is starting on the down stroke. Higher octane fuel needs more ignition timing to accomplish this. Lower octane fuel is more susceptible to burning uncontrollably or too "quick", causing maximum pressure before TDC, causing the engine to want to kick the opposite direction. This is why detonation damages parts. Short version is you are a fool to spend money on anything but 87 octane on a stock v6.
Using 91 or even 93 isn't going to harm anything, though. Octane IS a resistance to spark knock. That's why if you're engine does knock, it's a good idea to just try using an octane up from what you're using.

What you described is true, but using 91 or 93 over 87 isn't going to cause any problems.
Old Oct 19, 2007 | 11:19 AM
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It wont cause problems, but it will waste money. Trust me, in my house that is a problem.
Old Oct 19, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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why in the hell would you want to do that...especially with a stock V6?
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