Want to Dual Exhaust, but there's a wee problem
12-24-2007, 06:27 PM
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RE: Want to Dual Exhaust, but there's a wee problem
ORIGINAL: afixer
it looks so much better with duals
MEASURE TWICE CUT ONCE! LIKE OTHERS SAID . I USED BLUE MASKING TAPE HTEN MARKED THAT TRIMED IT WITH A DREMIL TOOL THEN FINISHED IT OFF WITH THE DRUM SANDER ATTACHMENT TO SMOOTH THE EDGES AND BRING IT TO MY LINE. JUST TKE YOUR TIME ! I ALSO USED TOUCH UP PAINT TO DO THE EDGES BECAUSE THE BLACK BUMPER SHOWS BIGTIME ON THE YELLOW.
it looks so much better with duals
MEASURE TWICE CUT ONCE! LIKE OTHERS SAID . I USED BLUE MASKING TAPE HTEN MARKED THAT TRIMED IT WITH A DREMIL TOOL THEN FINISHED IT OFF WITH THE DRUM SANDER ATTACHMENT TO SMOOTH THE EDGES AND BRING IT TO MY LINE. JUST TKE YOUR TIME ! I ALSO USED TOUCH UP PAINT TO DO THE EDGES BECAUSE THE BLACK BUMPER SHOWS BIGTIME ON THE YELLOW.
06-06-2008, 11:47 PM
#32
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RE: Want to Dual Exhaust, but there's a wee problem
ORIGINAL: FyouGitive
I'm not sure I do. The cars you mention aren't Mustangs; different designs, different installations, different responses to different modifications. No telling how many or which of them is a "marketing" dual setup as well, eh?
My friend the Racer Who Has Contacts Throughout The Industry said he discussed dual vs. single exhaust on Ford V6 engines with an engineer who did much of the exhaust development work for Ford. The engineer said the expense and effort required to equip a Ford V6 with a working dual exhaust system was far in excess of the value of benefits accrued; there were some measurable but small gains in high-end power, but not enough to warrant the investment on a performance basis. A well-designed single exhaust did nearly as much. Speaking of a stock or lightly-modified engine.
I conclude that installing dual exhaust on a S197 V6 Mustang is an aesthetic matter, not a practical one; that is, if you like the look, feel, and sound, duals is good. I like 'em, they look good, some of them sound good, they make a lot of difference how I feel driving a car, but until those considerations become more important to me than better handling or proven performance enhancement like Cold Air Induction and a Tune, I'll stick with a single FRPP M-5230-GTA. I view that as a practical solution, at present. And it doesn't sound all that bad, either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxfEFETgvIA
ORIGINAL: 07 Stang
So are you saying all the other brand sixers that comewith duals shouldn't have them? Like Acura's, Ford Fusion, Edge....I could go on and on, but I think you get my point!
ORIGINAL: teetertotter
I don't know why spend money and put dual exhaust on a sixer. Better mpg? Do you put on the GT emblem too?
I don't know why spend money and put dual exhaust on a sixer. Better mpg? Do you put on the GT emblem too?
My friend the Racer Who Has Contacts Throughout The Industry said he discussed dual vs. single exhaust on Ford V6 engines with an engineer who did much of the exhaust development work for Ford. The engineer said the expense and effort required to equip a Ford V6 with a working dual exhaust system was far in excess of the value of benefits accrued; there were some measurable but small gains in high-end power, but not enough to warrant the investment on a performance basis. A well-designed single exhaust did nearly as much. Speaking of a stock or lightly-modified engine.
I conclude that installing dual exhaust on a S197 V6 Mustang is an aesthetic matter, not a practical one; that is, if you like the look, feel, and sound, duals is good. I like 'em, they look good, some of them sound good, they make a lot of difference how I feel driving a car, but until those considerations become more important to me than better handling or proven performance enhancement like Cold Air Induction and a Tune, I'll stick with a single FRPP M-5230-GTA. I view that as a practical solution, at present. And it doesn't sound all that bad, either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxfEFETgvIA
I think my (three-weeks) experience with the duals validates my assertions made last December: I like the symmetrical appearance, the sound, andthe feel of driving a dual-ed V6 Mustang, but fourteen eighth-mile drag race passes failed to show any performance advantage over the single exhaust with a GT takeoff muffler (I was deceived; it was not a GTA, as I was led to believe. Live and learn.)
Here are the sound clips, for comparison. I could show time slips, but you'd have to trust me on the variables, so why not for the documentation, too?
single GT takeoff road test
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NxfEFETgvIA
single GT takeoff dyno test
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-AazkGcJ43s
FRPP exhaust part 0ne (after the drags)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY9uRaR1JlE
FRPP exhaust part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XhoYT0JVTg
06-07-2008, 05:36 AM
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RE: Want to Dual Exhaust, but there's a wee problem
Worst case is you just get a pair of scissors and go at it yourself. Lol tho some dual exhaust actually fit right underneath the stock v6 bumper so one tip has a hole and the other doesnt. Id say ask a body shop your comfortable with to do it, cant be more than a few hundred bucks to just cut another hole in your bumper.
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06-07-2008, 05:39 AM
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RE: Want to Dual Exhaust, but there's a wee problem
If i had the money i would get duals on my sixxer. However more for cosmetic reasons than actual hp gain. Tho im quite fine with my single exhaust until then, i still get compliments and thumbs up with a single exhaust just as much as the other guys with dual exhaust. I think its the whole "whos dick is bigger" kinda thing.
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06-07-2008, 08:49 AM
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RE: Want to Dual Exhaust, but there's a wee problem
You know what I find interesting is all this talk about duals being "cosmetic"....well, aren't your rims, louvers, black out panels, hood scoop, side scoops, rear spoiler, shorty antenna, GT rocker panels, side mirror covers, stripesand so on and so on are ALL COSMETIC? You like the look don't you??? So what if duals don't give you more hp, it sure looks good and sounds good. Nuff said. 
06-07-2008, 12:48 PM
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RE: Want to Dual Exhaust, but there's a wee problem
http://www.borla.com/applications/lo...X_pipe/140176/
"Customer or installer will be required to cut the rear fascia to accommodate the extra tip, but BORLA’s engineering department provides a simple template to make this a simple operation."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7K3umsPKAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXA_BpuSpKA
"Customer or installer will be required to cut the rear fascia to accommodate the extra tip, but BORLA’s engineering department provides a simple template to make this a simple operation."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7K3umsPKAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXA_BpuSpKA
06-07-2008, 01:22 PM
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RE: Want to Dual Exhaust, but there's a wee problem
ORIGINAL: 157db
http://www.borla.com/applications/lo...X_pipe/140176/
"Customer or installer will be required to cut the rear fascia to accommodate the extra tip, but BORLA’s engineering department provides a simple template to make this a simple operation."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7K3umsPKAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXA_BpuSpKA
http://www.borla.com/applications/lo...X_pipe/140176/
"Customer or installer will be required to cut the rear fascia to accommodate the extra tip, but BORLA’s engineering department provides a simple template to make this a simple operation."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7K3umsPKAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXA_BpuSpKA
Price :
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06-07-2008, 01:50 PM
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RE: Want to Dual Exhaust, but there's a wee problem
some ppl on here ive seen really hacke that cutout up but dont worry its easy i used a roto zip then wrapped sand paper around a coke can to smooth the rough parts oout and it looks professional. like i said dont worry its super easy
06-07-2008, 02:42 PM
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RE: Want to Dual Exhaust, but there's a wee problem
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I know Borla is a great product, but
Price :
$1,199.99[/align]
ORIGINAL: 157db
http://www.borla.com/applications/lo...X_pipe/140176/
"Customer or installer will be required to cut the rear fascia to accommodate the extra tip, but BORLA’s engineering department provides a simple template to make this a simple operation."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7K3umsPKAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXA_BpuSpKA
http://www.borla.com/applications/lo...X_pipe/140176/
"Customer or installer will be required to cut the rear fascia to accommodate the extra tip, but BORLA’s engineering department provides a simple template to make this a simple operation."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7K3umsPKAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8ENuxcJ3w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXA_BpuSpKA
Price :
$1,199.99[/align]
06-07-2008, 05:19 PM
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RE: Want to Dual Exhaust, but there's a wee problem
I think most people do duals for the sound, and looks. Not for the crappy HP gain. I'll be adding my duals in a few weeks, but I spent the money and just purchased a GT takeoff bumper.
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