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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by themac5150
Joe, you could slap just the X on there and be finished, and be in the 13s with the california spec and stock everything else on the car! Haven't you read the x-men responses to all of the questions?(in the x-charger threads) I know I've read some of the guys have 30K+ miles on the X. If that's not some sort of proof of reliability I don't know what is. Sure not any head or cam swaps out there that I've heard of with that much time on them. That's why I suggested you really research these mods you want to do carefully. If you're not careful, you'll dump way too much money into it with minimal return, and be very disenchanted, and regret every penny you wasted on useless upgrades. Just to be able to say "I have this and this and this and this..." is one thing, to beat the guy in the other lane is another.
I'm only trying to help, knowing that you're young, with limited funds, you really want the most "bang" for your buck ya know.
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Thats exactly what im saying to him
Old Oct 19, 2008 | 11:40 AM
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So that would be the consensus that the most bang for buck would be a supercharger, while full bolt ons and heads/cam are a waste of time? OK, now I will just have to research the different superchargers and see what I want if this is the case. Then I will have to decide if I want to wait a yr or 2 and save up for f/i or take out a loan through a bank or my parents and buy it sooner.

Little f/i questions:
1. Can I run a single exhaust with f/i?
2. Is intercooled safer than non-intercooled?
3. Average 1/4 time of each installed kit? -I will do this on my own, I think x-chargers are high 13's on near stock cars, Vortech's about the same, Vortech h/o's low 13's, and prochargers similar to vortech's.
Old Oct 19, 2008 | 03:11 PM
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1. you need at least an axle back
2. I don't think there is a difference in safety until you get to high boost. The main thing to worry about is the tune.
3. As far as times, from what i've seen: Xcharger < Vortech < Procharger < Turbo
Old Oct 19, 2008 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mustang_Joe
So that would be the consensus that the most bang for buck would be a supercharger, while full bolt ons and heads/cam are a waste of time? OK, now I will just have to research the different superchargers and see what I want if this is the case. Then I will have to decide if I want to wait a yr or 2 and save up for f/i or take out a loan through a bank or my parents and buy it sooner.

Little f/i questions:
1. Can I run a single exhaust with f/i?
2. Is intercooled safer than non-intercooled?
3. Average 1/4 time of each installed kit? -I will do this on my own, I think x-chargers are high 13's on near stock cars, Vortech's about the same, Vortech h/o's low 13's, and prochargers similar to vortech's.
Well, it all boils down to this. The EASIEST, QUICKEST thing to do, is to add a supercharger and call it a day. It will pack all the punch you are looking for. With the cam, heads thing, you will always be trying to add more to your car, and will never get to the power of a supercharger.

A guy in my car club installed his x-charger originally on a single exhaust... he said it seemed to bog down on the low end. He installed duals and headers and is now at 320 rwhp with the dyno sheets posted at every car show. No offense, but everyone knows that in the long run duals will be what you want if your looking to add serious power, thats why you keep hearing folks say to install duals.
Old Oct 19, 2008 | 07:40 PM
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Will forced induction raise my insurance? Significantly? I will definitely tell them about it if I get it just so it's covered in case of an accident. No one wants $4k+ down the drain.

I do have a limited budget, and if I chose to go forced induction I would do it when I have all the money in hand which should take a couple of years. But that's part of the problem. I don't want to wait a couple of years to go f/i. I would rather have little mods here and there for instant gratification. So that will probably be my plan to make a fast naturally aspirated car. I will do all the performance bolt-ons I can find over time, and when I get to heads/cam I will then make the decision if I want to stay n/a and do that or drop a little more money for a supercharger. Thanks for all the help, I finally have a modding plan set-up.
Old Oct 19, 2008 | 08:19 PM
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That was the reason I put duals on my car. My long term goal was the X. Headers were done because I only wanted to be under there ONE time, if it was something that I ever was going to wish I would have done, might as well do it while I was there, and they weren't that expensive. Doug said the headers weren't worth anything, but the duals were going to be a plus with the X. The sound I got after the install was the real surprise. I've got 27.5K on the car in just over a year. I enjoy driving it. I don't want a car that is not fun to drive. I'm trying to make it more FUN!
Old Oct 20, 2008 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by themac5150
That was the reason I put duals on my car. My long term goal was the X. Headers were done because I only wanted to be under there ONE time, if it was something that I ever was going to wish I would have done, might as well do it while I was there, and they weren't that expensive. Doug said the headers weren't worth anything, but the duals were going to be a plus with the X. The sound I got after the install was the real surprise. I've got 27.5K on the car in just over a year. I enjoy driving it. I don't want a car that is not fun to drive. I'm trying to make it more FUN!
That's nice to hear and a good suggestion. I am going to do want I want to my car and make it more fun. I'll stick to my n/a plans off the bat. One question is, what do you have done to your car?
Old Oct 20, 2008 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Mustang_Joe
That's nice to hear and a good suggestion. I am going to do want I want to my car and make it more fun. I'll stick to my n/a plans off the bat. One question is, what do you have done to your car?
You don't need to go f/i to enjoy your car. Some people do but not everyone does. I personally get more joy out of putting mods on my car one by one and feeling/seeing the difference. With a super charger you get one bulk install that gives you a ton of power but like every other mod it will get old and you will be looking for more (this isn't true for everyone but like 90% of people). If you love working on your car and watching the transformation then I would stick n/a and just mod away. If you're looking for just speed and you could care less about working on your car then go f/i it's easy and a lot of power for the money.

I've owned 2 cars in the past where I did a few bolt ons and then went f/i and while it was fun, I find it a lot more fun to always be under my hood putting in new parts and just working on the car.

Like I said though it all depends on what you want to do.
Old Oct 20, 2008 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mustang_Joe
That's nice to hear and a good suggestion. I am going to do want I want to my car and make it more fun. I'll stick to my n/a plans off the bat. One question is, what do you have done to your car?
Base model started with:
Ford all-weather floormats--best I've seen yet

MRT rear window louvers--had pains starting out, worked good for 6 month then hinges unglued themselves--in garage

Pony package grille kit--I love the pony fog light grille, it's Ford, it fits, it works

Flow Master American Thunder single axleback--sounded good at idle, drove me insane on the highway with the drone, would rather have dental work done, in garage

C&L intake and Bama tunes--really woke the car up and made it a whole lotta fun to drive, in garage but still gets used every so often

FRPP/Borla axleback--sounded better at speed than the AT but more on the fart can/ricey side, in garage

Ford molded V6 mudguards--thought it would help with all the rocks the stock tires were hurling at my rear fascia, but they ended up holding grit and did more damage to my paint than they protected, in garage

FRPP dual kit with x-pipe and GTAs--best sound from the V6 I've heard in person yet, I just got some cheap GT take-offs to try, the GTAs sound great, but are still just a tad annoying after 8 to 9 hours on the road, nothing nearly as bad as the Flow AT though

JBA headers silver ceramic shorty headers--meh, they sure look good, better than the rusty stock anchors in the otherwise good looking engine bay

Take-off GT rockers--looked good, rocks beat the crap out of them and they looked like crap in 2 months, the V6 stockers are a lot more durable, in garage

Pony package emblems--what can I say, I like 'em

GT take-off charcoal bullitts--my car didn't look right until the bullitts were on it

FRPP handling pack--way too stiff as the kit, took off kit springs, put stock springs on with the rest of the kit and it's good to go, and handles like a champ

FRPP CAI--because the Bullitt bucket is so darn cool, and nobody had it, so I decided to try it, it works better than stock, not quite as good as C&L and Bama, but it has that OEM look and fit and finish, I like it

Stock stripe delete--Ford racing stripe install--Ford racing stripe delete, I didn't like the base model stripe, but i liked the style of the PP, but didn't want an exact copy, so I went with the Ford racing, it was ok, now I want to run it naked for a while

Hubcapsplus prepainted 1/4 window louvers--cheap, look good, works for me

take-off GT leather seats--my light graphite cloth was stained and looking nasty.

That's about all I can think of at the moment.

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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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Oh yeah,
I forgot about the Hurst short shifter I had installed. I loved the old school look of it. It took more effort to shift it less distance, and much more notchy. I could have lived with it, but it developed a nasty rattle/vibration in the bearing area. I guess it eventually wore enough vertical play into it, I could move the stick up and down. It sounded like a jack hammer when the engine was up in the revs. So, I tried it with the stock rubber bushings, but it didn't help. Put the stocker back in and was amazed at how SMOOTH it was and loved it ever since. Hurst is now... you guessed it... in the garage...
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