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Old 01-15-2015, 02:19 AM
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:33 AM
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Ha, ......... their car, their dyno, their #'s.

Very impressive if true, but you can get a dyno to say anything the operator wants.

I'd be a little skeptical.

EDIT: After doing the math, that's stock run shows 12% drivetrain loss. Either they're getting more efficient or the 435 HP is underated a touch. Track #'s will tell the truth. Either way, it's a win-win for us lol.

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We've seen very similar results on 11-14 cars, no reason the 15s shouldn't be a little stronger

I remember the first 11 5.0 we did with a tune and JLT CAI, it broke 400 rwhp no problem.

Heres a dyno sheet from a 13 GT we did here with an Airaid and our canned 93 Airaid tune:
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Old 01-15-2015, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. D
OK! Should I believe these Bama numbers??

Those numbers are 100% accurate. The Bama Performance has been hard at work on the 2015 platform for a long time now! All of Bama's custom tunes were developed on their Dyno Jet 224xLC, Mustang Dyno 1100SE, at the track and collecting data on the street.

The stock numbers have been pretty standard at this point. MT82 equipped 2015 GT's have been making in the 365-380 RWHP range from the factory. As we've seen in the past Ford does leave a lot of room on the table especially with the computers in the 2015 Mustangs. This allows for the Bama Performance team to really dig in and start to maximize performance without giving up any reliability.

Bama Performance focuses heavily on optimizing fuel maps, spark maps, Ti/VCT as well as the torque logic to achieve these results. If your Mustang is automatic Bama does make a bunch of changes to the shift maps and torque converter tables. Now a custom tune is not all about power and torque. That is one of the most beneficial reasons to go with Bama as they put a ton of focus on drive-ability.

Because every car is different Bama does recommend datalogging with them. This will just ensure that they really dial in your Mustang and to make sure that these numbers are achieved. Datalogging isn't necessary but if you feel like there's something left on the table you're more than welcome to give the Bama Performance team a call anytime and they'll gladly get you squared away.

I hope this helps answer your question. I'm only a PM away so feel free to reach out anytime and I'll get you set up with one of the Bama Tuning Specialist!

As a matter of fact the Bama Performance team actually just got done dialing E85 tunes on our Comp Orange 2015 Mustang GT and the results were even more impressive and backed up the initial gains.


For your viewing pleasure.. Check out Bama's 2015 Mustang GT setting a world record as the first S550 into the 9's!


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Old 01-16-2015, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 88 orangepeel notch
Ha, ......... their car, their dyno, their #'s.

Very impressive if true, but you can get a dyno to say anything the operator wants.

I'd be a little skeptical.

EDIT: After doing the math, that's stock run shows 12% drivetrain loss. Either they're getting more efficient or the 435 HP is underated a touch. Track #'s will tell the truth. Either way, it's a win-win for us lol.
Hard to believe numbers put out by the manufacturer. It's to bad there are not more creditable sources of independent testing. If a CAI puts out the improvement they claim, one wonders why all performance cars don't design their own CAI. An earlier post showing a 2015 GT appears to show a Mustang CAI. that makes one wonder what an aftermarket CAI could do unless there is a built in restriction in airflow. I suspect one of the biggest attractions to CAI units is that they make cars "sound" more powerful due to intake roar!
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Originally Posted by Mr. D
Hard to believe numbers put out by the manufacturer. It's to bad there are not more creditable sources of independent testing. If a CAI puts out the improvement they claim, one wonders why all performance cars don't design their own CAI. An earlier post showing a 2015 GT appears to show a Mustang CAI. that makes one wonder what an aftermarket CAI could do unless there is a built in restriction in airflow. I suspect one of the biggest attractions to CAI units is that they make cars "sound" more powerful due to intake roar!
I think most of the gains are tuning not CAI. They gained 10 hp, but 0 TQ with the CAI on top of tuning. I want TQ gains cause I feel those. The tuning is worth it, but the CAI maybe not so much for gain over stock.

Now that said I have a CAI on my 2008 for the great sound it creates as you mentioned. Same reason for axle backs no gain, but great sound.
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Originally Posted by BlindGUYnAR
I think most of the gains are tuning not CAI. They gained 10 hp, but 0 TQ with the CAI on top of tuning. I want TQ gains cause I feel those. The tuning is worth it, but the CAI maybe not so much for gain over stock.

Now that said I have a CAI on my 2008 for the great sound it creates as you mentioned. Same reason for axle backs no gain, but great sound.
^^This,

The tune is 95% of the power gain. Ford is very conservative on their factory tune. Now if the site claims huge power (more than 1 or 2 percent) gains on just a CAI alone...they are lying.
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Old 01-19-2015, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Derf00
^^This,

The tune is 95% of the power gain. Ford is very conservative on their factory tune. Now if the site claims huge power (more than 1 or 2 percent) gains on just a CAI alone...they are lying.
I've been happy with tuners! I have one for my F150 Ecoboost & it makes a substantial difference. CAI's.... who knows. My take right now is what the 2015 GT has is probably best left alone! Looks like a built in CAI to me.
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