S197 Vs LS1 camaro
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RE: S197 Vs LS1 camaro
ORIGINAL: BlackoutStang
Is he stock? If so it would probably be close, with him winning by a bit. They just have a superior powerplant, that repsponds a lot better to mods, so if he's not stock, I'm afraid it wouldn't be too close. I still think our cars are better looking than the LS1's though. 
ORIGINAL: Daniel60
A guy at work has a 2002 SS automatic and my mods are listed in signature, who would win?
A guy at work has a 2002 SS automatic and my mods are listed in signature, who would win?
Coming from an LS2 I'd argue that the 4.6 responds to basic mods even better. Part of the reason being the 4.6 is tuned so conservatively from the factory for running 87 octane fuel. The LSx motors are already tuned for premium and a custom tune with headers combined only netted me an additional 25rwhp. A Mustang with a canned tune and CAI will do better than that in most cases.
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RE: S197 Vs LS1 camaro
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An LS1 is NOT a superior power plant. Cast iron block, pushrod design, only two valves per cylinder. The ONLY reason it makes more hp and torque is because it's a lot bigger. Regardless, it's torque output is impressive and I wouldn't mess with an LS1 unless I had quite a few improvments.
An LS1 is NOT a superior power plant. Cast iron block, pushrod design, only two valves per cylinder. The ONLY reason it makes more hp and torque is because it's a lot bigger. Regardless, it's torque output is impressive and I wouldn't mess with an LS1 unless I had quite a few improvments.
Mike
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RE: S197 Vs LS1 camaro
Let me shed some light.
The LS1 is superior than the 3v. Nuff said. And don;t bring up displacement. One other factor that makes the LS1 better.
400whp is a piece a cake for the LS1 N/A. Over 350whp with bolt ons. How many 3v's are doing that?
I ran 14.0@100 in my Mustang GT with 410 miles on it. Doodad can attest to that. With a couple more runs I would have broke 13's.
My 02 Trans Am 6-speed with just intake put down 326whp, and I ran 13.5@107 leaving at idle. 2.35 60'. Plus my race weight was a tad over 3800lbs. My mustang's was 3650.
The LSx engines are some of the best engines ever made.
High 12's are possible for a stock LS1, but its very rare. MM&FF's own Evan Smith went 12.8-9@108 in a bone stock z28 6-speed. No DR, no nothing.
They also ran 13.3@102 in a stock S197. More power to them.
Point is the LS1 is a better base powerplant than the 3v. Sure they both respond nicley to mods. But the LS1 has a stronger base. I wish they made a 3v 5.4L in our GT's. That would be nice.
I am going back to the track to beat my T/A's time.(That is my goal)
I already have coming......
Steeda CAI w/ smooth elbow
Steeda Delete Plates
Steeda UDP
Steeda Tri-Ax STS
SCT XCAL 2
And I am going to run on 17"s this time instead of the 18's.
Then after that, some LCA's, DR's, and perhaps a gear swap.
12's here I come.....Oh, I may like the LS1 better, but I love the s197 Mustang Much more than my 02 T/A. w00t!
The LS1 is superior than the 3v. Nuff said. And don;t bring up displacement. One other factor that makes the LS1 better.
400whp is a piece a cake for the LS1 N/A. Over 350whp with bolt ons. How many 3v's are doing that?
I ran 14.0@100 in my Mustang GT with 410 miles on it. Doodad can attest to that. With a couple more runs I would have broke 13's.
My 02 Trans Am 6-speed with just intake put down 326whp, and I ran 13.5@107 leaving at idle. 2.35 60'. Plus my race weight was a tad over 3800lbs. My mustang's was 3650.
The LSx engines are some of the best engines ever made.
High 12's are possible for a stock LS1, but its very rare. MM&FF's own Evan Smith went 12.8-9@108 in a bone stock z28 6-speed. No DR, no nothing.
They also ran 13.3@102 in a stock S197. More power to them.
Point is the LS1 is a better base powerplant than the 3v. Sure they both respond nicley to mods. But the LS1 has a stronger base. I wish they made a 3v 5.4L in our GT's. That would be nice.
I am going back to the track to beat my T/A's time.(That is my goal)
I already have coming......
Steeda CAI w/ smooth elbow
Steeda Delete Plates
Steeda UDP
Steeda Tri-Ax STS
SCT XCAL 2
And I am going to run on 17"s this time instead of the 18's.
Then after that, some LCA's, DR's, and perhaps a gear swap.
12's here I come.....Oh, I may like the LS1 better, but I love the s197 Mustang Much more than my 02 T/A. w00t!
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RE: S197 Vs LS1 camaro
ORIGINAL: androdz
You must had gotten a bad batch of a mustang. Because powershiffting you are in the 13.5-13.6 with a base gt with a very good driver that is...
You must had gotten a bad batch of a mustang. Because powershiffting you are in the 13.5-13.6 with a base gt with a very good driver that is...
Didn't power shift it. only had 400miles on it. Didn't want to beat on it too bad.
Also the story is not the the E.T.
Look at the trap mph difference.
7 mph. Is huge.
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RE: S197 Vs LS1 camaro
well from my experience with my car its also bone stock but orlando has no good track around it and i don't feel like driving 2-3 hours away just to run my car so the only option for a track that i have is orlando speed world but enough of that...i've raced an 02' SS and a 05 GTO and both of them had nothing for me i'm completely stock and ran 13.7 both of them were in the 14.01-14.2 range...i'm 5 spd they were 6 spd...also in july near 100 degrees for us in florida....even though its a drivers race i just don't think those engines can perform because those SS and F-body guys are always bitching about what somebody else did with the same car i have yet to run in to a person that could drive one of those but yeah i do believe if they were better drivers they might've gotten me by a car or so but they do have a larger displacement 331 or something like that to a f****** 281...a friend of mine has a auto 99 SS with 100k miles on it and before he did headers/tune/intake and **** he was only running 14.2-14.4s at best now he just got down to 13.4s-13.5s now if i did those mods i'd be way past him in high 12s low 13s and he got all bitchy when i broke 13s stock...same excuse yeah well my cars rated for high 12s low 13s....same excuse from another friend of mine with a SS but his is 6spd and he's only been a best time of 14.0-14.2s same excuse....my theory if you have a bigger engine then why can't you drive it good??? yeah i had my heart set on a Trans Am but there **** for quality window motors leaking t-tops...etc... made me get an S197
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RE: S197 Vs LS1 camaro
ORIGINAL: limer06stang
well from my experience with my car its also bone stock but orlando has no good track around it and i don't feel like driving 2-3 hours away just to run my car so the only option for a track that i have is orlando speed world but enough of that...i've raced an 02' SS and a 05 GTO and both of them had nothing for me i'm completely stock and ran 13.7 both of them were in the 14.01-14.2 range...i'm 5 spd they were 6 spd...also in july near 100 degrees for us in florida....even though its a drivers race i just don't think those engines can perform because those SS and F-body guys are always bitching about what somebody else did with the same car i have yet to run in to a person that could drive one of those but yeah i do believe if they were better drivers they might've gotten me by a car or so but they do have a larger displacement 331 or something like that to a f****** 281...a friend of mine has a auto 99 SS with 100k miles on it and before he did headers/tune/intake and **** he was only running 14.2-14.4s at best now he just got down to 13.4s-13.5s now if i did those mods i'd be way past him in high 12s low 13s and he got all bitchy when i broke 13s stock...same excuse yeah well my cars rated for high 12s low 13s....same excuse from another friend of mine with a SS but his is 6spd and he's only been a best time of 14.0-14.2s same excuse....my theory if you have a bigger engine then why can't you drive it good??? yeah i had my heart set on a Trans Am but there **** for quality window motors leaking t-tops...etc... made me get an S197
well from my experience with my car its also bone stock but orlando has no good track around it and i don't feel like driving 2-3 hours away just to run my car so the only option for a track that i have is orlando speed world but enough of that...i've raced an 02' SS and a 05 GTO and both of them had nothing for me i'm completely stock and ran 13.7 both of them were in the 14.01-14.2 range...i'm 5 spd they were 6 spd...also in july near 100 degrees for us in florida....even though its a drivers race i just don't think those engines can perform because those SS and F-body guys are always bitching about what somebody else did with the same car i have yet to run in to a person that could drive one of those but yeah i do believe if they were better drivers they might've gotten me by a car or so but they do have a larger displacement 331 or something like that to a f****** 281...a friend of mine has a auto 99 SS with 100k miles on it and before he did headers/tune/intake and **** he was only running 14.2-14.4s at best now he just got down to 13.4s-13.5s now if i did those mods i'd be way past him in high 12s low 13s and he got all bitchy when i broke 13s stock...same excuse yeah well my cars rated for high 12s low 13s....same excuse from another friend of mine with a SS but his is 6spd and he's only been a best time of 14.0-14.2s same excuse....my theory if you have a bigger engine then why can't you drive it good??? yeah i had my heart set on a Trans Am but there **** for quality window motors leaking t-tops...etc... made me get an S197
ET had nothing to do with how fast a car is. It has to do with how quick the car is.
I doubt your mph stock was even near 107. Hit up LS1tech.com and you will see 14.2 is not the norm.
All the s197 stangs at my track were running 14.2's. With the exception of a auto with a 100shot, running 13.3@106, and midly bolted on one running 13.4@104, a freak stock run from doodad at 13.666. And my run at 14.0@100.
Drivers equal, the LS1 will always comeout on top.
But even that said, I still like my s197 stang better.
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RE: S197 Vs LS1 camaro
ORIGINAL: Ubergeist
My take with a lid, 13.5@107 2.35 60'. I was leaving at idle.
ET had nothing to do with how fast a car is. It has to do with how quick the car is.
I doubt your mph stock was even near 107. Hit up LS1tech.com and you will see 14.2 is not the norm.
All the s197 stangs at my track were running 14.2's. With the exception of a auto with a 100shot, running 13.3@106, and midly bolted on one running 13.4@104, a freak stock run from doodad at 13.666. And my run at 14.0@100.
Drivers equal, the LS1 will always comeout on top.
But even that said, I still like my s197 stang better.
ORIGINAL: limer06stang
well from my experience with my car its also bone stock but orlando has no good track around it and i don't feel like driving 2-3 hours away just to run my car so the only option for a track that i have is orlando speed world but enough of that...i've raced an 02' SS and a 05 GTO and both of them had nothing for me i'm completely stock and ran 13.7 both of them were in the 14.01-14.2 range...i'm 5 spd they were 6 spd...also in july near 100 degrees for us in florida....even though its a drivers race i just don't think those engines can perform because those SS and F-body guys are always bitching about what somebody else did with the same car i have yet to run in to a person that could drive one of those but yeah i do believe if they were better drivers they might've gotten me by a car or so but they do have a larger displacement 331 or something like that to a f****** 281...a friend of mine has a auto 99 SS with 100k miles on it and before he did headers/tune/intake and **** he was only running 14.2-14.4s at best now he just got down to 13.4s-13.5s now if i did those mods i'd be way past him in high 12s low 13s and he got all bitchy when i broke 13s stock...same excuse yeah well my cars rated for high 12s low 13s....same excuse from another friend of mine with a SS but his is 6spd and he's only been a best time of 14.0-14.2s same excuse....my theory if you have a bigger engine then why can't you drive it good??? yeah i had my heart set on a Trans Am but there **** for quality window motors leaking t-tops...etc... made me get an S197
well from my experience with my car its also bone stock but orlando has no good track around it and i don't feel like driving 2-3 hours away just to run my car so the only option for a track that i have is orlando speed world but enough of that...i've raced an 02' SS and a 05 GTO and both of them had nothing for me i'm completely stock and ran 13.7 both of them were in the 14.01-14.2 range...i'm 5 spd they were 6 spd...also in july near 100 degrees for us in florida....even though its a drivers race i just don't think those engines can perform because those SS and F-body guys are always bitching about what somebody else did with the same car i have yet to run in to a person that could drive one of those but yeah i do believe if they were better drivers they might've gotten me by a car or so but they do have a larger displacement 331 or something like that to a f****** 281...a friend of mine has a auto 99 SS with 100k miles on it and before he did headers/tune/intake and **** he was only running 14.2-14.4s at best now he just got down to 13.4s-13.5s now if i did those mods i'd be way past him in high 12s low 13s and he got all bitchy when i broke 13s stock...same excuse yeah well my cars rated for high 12s low 13s....same excuse from another friend of mine with a SS but his is 6spd and he's only been a best time of 14.0-14.2s same excuse....my theory if you have a bigger engine then why can't you drive it good??? yeah i had my heart set on a Trans Am but there **** for quality window motors leaking t-tops...etc... made me get an S197
ET had nothing to do with how fast a car is. It has to do with how quick the car is.
I doubt your mph stock was even near 107. Hit up LS1tech.com and you will see 14.2 is not the norm.
All the s197 stangs at my track were running 14.2's. With the exception of a auto with a 100shot, running 13.3@106, and midly bolted on one running 13.4@104, a freak stock run from doodad at 13.666. And my run at 14.0@100.
Drivers equal, the LS1 will always comeout on top.
But even that said, I still like my s197 stang better.
even a lid is a mod though pal....well from what i see its what i believe and i don't have to go to some ls1 forum to find out myself i know plenty of people that have them...but yeah i do agree its all about trap mph cause our s197s are between 100-103 stock i know ls1's are supposed to be around atleast 105-108...but that's where the larger displacement comes into play...it's a catch 22 either way there's those that are die hard bowties and people that are die hard fords....it's close but the cars are opposittes
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RE: S197 Vs LS1 camaro
ORIGINAL: 06Vista
OK so if 2 stockers were gonna run, lets say the LS1 is an auto, and my car is a manual, who is gonna win?
OK so if 2 stockers were gonna run, lets say the LS1 is an auto, and my car is a manual, who is gonna win?
I am a die hard stang fan. This is my 5th stang.
00 GT
02 GT
03 Mach 1
03 Cobra(wish I still had it)
I have owned 3 f-bodys
93 Formula
02 Firehawk
02 Reg T/A.
Think about it this way....equal drivers the ls1 f-body will always come out on top. I am not bias at all. The LS1 is superior. Had and cam swap say hello to well over 400whp. My friend has a 60 trim SS and on just 5lbs he is at 512whp.
What I love about the s197 is its rearend, excellent design and strong. Something that can't be said for the f-body rear.
On that note
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