IRS
10-17-2006, 12:11 AM
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RE: IRS
Pay attention to my post, and what I said, the S197 is awesome, compared to the 60's generation, and for you to compare some 1991(datsun) POS, that won't "touch" an S197, in all catagories, is BS.
YOU called the new breed retro Stang a "fatpig", for that comment alone............. SHOWS your ignorance.[sm=bustedsign.gif][sm=badidea.gif]
YOU called the new breed retro Stang a "fatpig", for that comment alone............. SHOWS your ignorance.[sm=bustedsign.gif][sm=badidea.gif]
10-17-2006, 12:14 AM
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RE: IRS
ORIGINAL: Kaldar142
i just wish the stang wasnt so heavy and more handling orientated and sir, my 240sx is not japcrap.
if anything itll beat half the v6 mustangs out there
ORIGINAL: 05gtdriver
I just think he's poking fun......the S197 is a larger 2 door sports coupe, and coming from a smaller, lighter and IRS equipped JapCrap, of course the 'Stang's gonna feel, well, LARGE. I drove European Ford Capris for over 15 years before getting into trucks and now, Mustangs! The Mustang does feel very large and heavy, but with a lot of grip and balance...too bad Ford leaves too much
off the cars to make better use of these traits(i.e. too soft of springs, cheap suspension pieces, too small a rear sway bar). With proper pieces these cars can be made into animals(I drove a Roush Stage 2 and there's a noticeable difference). I see both perspectives and no, the S197 isn't a big fat pig, but maybe a piglet?(hahaha)
ORIGINAL: LegallyTorchRED
Ok Kaldar,.......... it is what it is.
I respect your opinion, HOWEVER,......
IF you feel you are driving a "fat pig",.. you, Sir.... don't deserve a MUSTANG. Try driving any 66-72 'Stang, and then state your opinion.
IMHO
Ok Kaldar,.......... it is what it is.
I respect your opinion, HOWEVER,......
IF you feel you are driving a "fat pig",.. you, Sir.... don't deserve a MUSTANG. Try driving any 66-72 'Stang, and then state your opinion.
IMHO
off the cars to make better use of these traits(i.e. too soft of springs, cheap suspension pieces, too small a rear sway bar). With proper pieces these cars can be made into animals(I drove a Roush Stage 2 and there's a noticeable difference). I see both perspectives and no, the S197 isn't a big fat pig, but maybe a piglet?(hahaha)
if anything itll beat half the v6 mustangs out there
10-17-2006, 12:18 AM
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RE: IRS
Hey Kaldar, just my phrase for all things Japanese....not harm implied. Just funny to me and it rhymes...JapCrap! I've owned plenty of Asian tin before and I'm not offended by it. Stock for stock a new S197 GT will embarrass an early nineties 240SX, but it'll feel less
communicative in the process.
communicative in the process.
10-17-2006, 12:28 AM
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RE: IRS
stock for stock, yeah it will. but in autocross i'm pretty sure the 240sx would be right behind it. just look at the 240sx for an early 90s car it was pretty nice...
2600lbs, IRS, 5 speed RWD, 4 wheel disc brakes. 160 hp? ehhhhh its lacking the hp but hey it gets the job done.
my sr20det took care of the power problem
2600lbs, IRS, 5 speed RWD, 4 wheel disc brakes. 160 hp? ehhhhh its lacking the hp but hey it gets the job done.
my sr20det took care of the power problem
10-17-2006, 12:46 AM
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RE: IRS
ORIGINAL: Kaldar142
stock for stock, yeah it will. but in autocross i'm pretty sure the 240sx would be right behind it. just look at the 240sx for an early 90s car it was pretty nice...
2600lbs, IRS, 5 speed RWD, 4 wheel disc brakes. 160 hp? ehhhhh its lacking the hp but hey it gets the job done.
my sr20det took care of the power problem
stock for stock, yeah it will. but in autocross i'm pretty sure the 240sx would be right behind it. just look at the 240sx for an early 90s car it was pretty nice...
2600lbs, IRS, 5 speed RWD, 4 wheel disc brakes. 160 hp? ehhhhh its lacking the hp but hey it gets the job done.
my sr20det took care of the power problem
proper suspension tuning it wouldn't be close. I realize that the 240SX was always considered the perfect autocross/drifting/roadrace platform. The Jap spec Slivias(which aren't of course sold here) are little terrors(basically a mini Skyline with better balance and less hp and just 2wd). I'm completely familiar with this type of car, remember, I was in my mid 20's when these cars were new..too bad we didn't get the turbo 240SX version here.....just got the damn Hardbody Pickup/Altima powered one. I actually prefer the last version sold here, '95 I believe.
10-17-2006, 01:53 AM
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RE: IRS
Yes, in drifting hp can be the equalizing force, but if you had read my post, it says, WAS considered the perfect platform, that implies that it used to be.....and I agree with proper suspension setup the S197 'Stang is a monster.....it has great balance, just needs to be exploited better with aftermarket parts. I'd never consider Asian tin against a Mustang with my money.
10-17-2006, 03:40 PM
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well the american drifting scene is alot different then the japanese drifting scene, basically the american drifting scene is all about raw hp, i mean every single car they have out their now is just ridiculous.
by the way, if the mustang is sooooooo great in terms of handling, why does it lose just about every grand am race lol
BMW stomps all over them, no doubt the s197 is an awesome car but its so damn heavy.
ps the last version 240sx sold here was a 97, oh yeah the silvias and 180s in japan are awesome.... sad but true the 240sx in america was designed for the middle age women, hence the down tuned engine (ka24 as opposed to sr20det or ca18det) whereas in japan it was designed as a sports car for young people.
but all in all i like the mustang better, thats why i'm here lol. i just wish it was more handling orientated, ford got the acceleration part down now alls they need is the handling part, hell if they just lost a couple hundred pounds and gave it 50/50 weight ratio it would be amazing
by the way, if the mustang is sooooooo great in terms of handling, why does it lose just about every grand am race lol
BMW stomps all over them, no doubt the s197 is an awesome car but its so damn heavy.
ps the last version 240sx sold here was a 97, oh yeah the silvias and 180s in japan are awesome.... sad but true the 240sx in america was designed for the middle age women, hence the down tuned engine (ka24 as opposed to sr20det or ca18det) whereas in japan it was designed as a sports car for young people.
but all in all i like the mustang better, thats why i'm here lol. i just wish it was more handling orientated, ford got the acceleration part down now alls they need is the handling part, hell if they just lost a couple hundred pounds and gave it 50/50 weight ratio it would be amazing
10-17-2006, 03:55 PM
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RE: IRS
I will second the "Mustang handles like a fat pig statement." I had a 2005 RX8 Shinka before getting my 2006 Mustang GT and that Mazda would embarrass the Mustang on any curvy road course. Why? That's what the car was built for. Now, I live in SE Michigan which is a land of grid-like street design (lots of straights). Mustangs would embarrass me all day long between the stop lights. Being that I am not moving from this area for some time I decided to get a car that fit my environment. I get much more joy out of burning rubber between the stop lights with my stang. But the first things I noticed about the Mustang were the ****ty brakes and crappy suspension when it came time to do something other than drive straight. But that is what the Mustang was built for so I'm happy. I can always mod the stang to fix it's short comings......but stock this thing handles like a fat pig.