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Old 10-17-2006, 04:27 PM
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by the way, if the mustang is sooooooo great in terms of handling, why does it lose just about every grand am race lol

BMW stomps all over them, no doubt the s197 is an awesome car but its so damn heavy.
Just to be fair, actually the Mustang has done quite well in Grand-Am cup racing. In fact in 2005 it won the series in the GS class, edging out BMW by 8 points and Porsche by 35 points:

http://www.grandamerican.com/CONTENT...g%20Points.pdf

It's true that in 2006 Ford dropped from 1st to 3rd, but that was because of a rule change which required the Mustangs to change from 4.10 gears to 3.55's. The Mustangs were being too dominant so they changed the rules to reign them in!

http://www.grandamerican.com/CONTENT.../GAC_Rules.pdf
http://www.grandamerican.com/CONTENT...GAC%203-28.pdf

That said, I do wish our Mustangs shared more in common with the FR500C race car in terms of suspension and braking. Suspension mods help a lot for not too much money, but really improving the brakes is a high dollar endeavor!

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Old 10-17-2006, 04:39 PM
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Anyone know why they chose a SOHC v8?
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Old 10-17-2006, 05:52 PM
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Ok Kaldar,.......... it is what it is.
I respect your opinion, HOWEVER,......
IF you feel you are driving a "fat pig",.. you, Sir.... don't deserve a MUSTANG. Try driving any 66-72 'Stang, and then state your opinion.
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I just think he's poking fun......the S197 is a larger 2 door sports coupe, and coming from a smaller, lighter and IRS equipped JapCrap, of course the 'Stang's gonna feel, well, LARGE. I drove European Ford Capris for over 15 years before getting into trucks and now, Mustangs! The Mustang does feel very large and heavy, but with a lot of grip and balance...too bad Ford leaves too much
off the cars to make better use of these traits(i.e. too soft of springs, cheap suspension pieces, too small a rear sway bar). With proper pieces these cars can be made into animals(I drove a Roush Stage 2 and there's a noticeable difference). I see both perspectives and no, the S197 isn't a big fat pig, but maybe a piglet?(hahaha)
i just wish the stang wasnt so heavy and more handling orientated and sir, my 240sx is not japcrap.

if anything itll beat half the mustangs out there
So I've heard, Mark D. has been telling me about it.
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Old 10-17-2006, 08:38 PM
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Marc D? as in marc davis?
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Old 10-17-2006, 08:59 PM
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Anyone know why they chose a SOHC v8?
Ummmm for the Grand Am series, or just in general with the S197? I think cost is the biggest factor and SOHC/3V head is much cheaper to design, produce and maintain than a DOHC design. Ford wanted to keep the car under $30K(base price). As far as the Grand Am series....the rules state, said vehicle must be available through the dealer network to the public and be produced in #'s of at least 500 units. I wonder if the Grand Am rules will change with BMW 335i slated for next year, Ford needs something more from the rule book to keep up.
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Old 10-17-2006, 09:10 PM
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Marc D? as in marc davis?
lol yep
Moved down to NC from MD, in my 2nd period class
Saw your Stang on his myspace and I was really surprised that you know him too lol
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Old 10-17-2006, 09:19 PM
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wow, what a small world LOL

marc d lives (or lived) in my neighborhood, literally a few streets down lol
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Old 10-17-2006, 09:57 PM
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lol yea, When I was on Marc's page, I saw a pic of a nice Redfire GT and had to see more of it, as soon as I saw your sig pic, I was like "Wait... I know this guy lol"

But yea, Marc was telling me that he could hear your exhaust like a mile away!! Also your 240 is really coming along nice. I'll tell him about this tommorow lol
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Old 10-17-2006, 10:11 PM
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haha yeah, that sounds like my stang... i'm trying to find some borlas, slp + offroad hpipe = wayyyyy too loud lol

Yeah, i've got a couple grand in my 240, mostly supporting mods...

sr20det - hybrid fmic, exedy clutch, z32 fuel filter, walbro 255 fuel pump, FAL dual 12 inch electric fans, K&N cone filter, 3 inch downpipe/testpipe/catback, cusco motor mounts, peak performance tranny bushing, greddy profec b spec 2 boost controller, greddy type rs bov, front and rear upper strut bars, c pillar bar and a partially stripped interior, removed sound deadening, removed speakers and sound system and thats about it.

i'm not even going to lie, my 240 looks like a piece of **** from the outside... all dinged up, a ****load of scratches, oxidated paint, dents and stock hubcaps... but it hauls ***

i'm waiting for tanabe front and rear sway bars, tension rods, poly urethane bushings... then i'll get coil overs :P
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Old 10-18-2006, 11:51 AM
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As far as the Grand Am series....the rules state, said vehicle must be available through the dealer network to the public and be produced in #'s of at least 500 units.
That's true but the FR500C uses the DOHC 5.0 "Cammer" crate engine in the Grand Am series. Here's the rule book for the Mustang in the 06 series. Notice that in addition to changing the requirement to 3.55 gears they also added 25 lbs of ballast compared to '05 and added an 'air restrictor' requirement!

Ford Mustang GT (5.0) 2005 3:55 :1 20.0 3225
Tire size: 275/35/18. 5.0 liter engine # M6007-R50P with fixed runner length at
3 and 4 inches. Must use ECU and exhaust manifold as supplied with engine.
M-7003 T56-RP transmission pkg. M-4602-J one pc. Driveshaft. M-3075-R
front control arm. M-3130R front outer tie rod. M-5649-R rear control arm. 355
mm front rotor with caliper upgrade per rule book. Fuel cell mounted behind
rear axle. 307-0011 Steeda Hood and 307-0009 Steeda rear wing allowed
Must use Grand American air restrictor as supplied. Steeda rear Panhard bar
#555-2551 allowed. Engine must be sealed as presented by Multimatic
Motorsports Inc. All rebuilds must be performed by Multimatic Motorsports
Inc. May use ABS unit #7R33-2C353-AB as alternate to the original.
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