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Old Apr 25, 2009 | 10:51 AM
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Honestly just pick the one that sounds best to you. Try to find some sound clips with a similar setup that you want and compare the two.
Old Apr 25, 2009 | 11:06 AM
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Go with the H. My buddy has Kooks LTs, off road x and magnaflow 3" catback along with hot rod cams. It sounds pretty good, but i dont like his idle at all. Its not mean IMO. All you hear is the rasp loping.

Ive heard a car with LTs, high flow H pipe, and magnaflow cat back, sounded MUCH MUCH better. (Rubrignitz)
Old Apr 25, 2009 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by whtcanbrwnd04u
Go with the H. My buddy has Kooks LTs, off road x and magnaflow 3" catback along with hot rod cams. It sounds pretty good, but i dont like his idle at all. Its not mean IMO. All you hear is the rasp loping.

Ive heard a car with LTs, high flow H pipe, and magnaflow cat back, sounded MUCH MUCH better. (Rubrignitz)
I thought Rubrignitz's car had FFRP cams too...
Old Apr 25, 2009 | 07:32 PM
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For what its worth....I just switched from an x-pipe on my gt500 to an h-pipe with my FRPP Stingers (Made by Borla) and the sound was incredible IMO. very deep and throaty...it sounds very nice and it reduced all cabin drone significantly. When I had my 05 gt I went with the kooks LT with the x-pipe and that was because thats all they had...to me its more about the sound you are looking for and less about the couple ponies you might grab when going to an h from an x.....
Old Apr 25, 2009 | 08:04 PM
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What does everyone think about the prochamber?

I read this from Professor Wizard and its pretty nice read...

https://mustangforums.com/forum/2005...explained.html
Old Apr 25, 2009 | 10:02 PM
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youtube it to see if anyone has that setup. x is more raspy than h which has a deeper sound so its a matter of what you want it to sound like
Old Apr 27, 2009 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth_J
What does everyone think about the prochamber?

I read this from Professor Wizard and its pretty nice read...

https://mustangforums.com/forum/2005...explained.html
Wizard has apparently seen the prochamber internally, and his description in the link has me believing that it lies somewhere between an H and an X. Just where probably depends on the details of the baffle. More open is probably more toward the X, less being more toward the H. I would hope that it is solidly constructed, as it, too, is dealing with somewhat similar resonances. The character of the sound is probably somewhat "softer" than the same car with pure duals, but I can't guess any closer than that.

I disagree rather strongly with his apparent opinion that "scavenging" is a negative thing. It's not, at least not generally. Engine tuning should not be based on having backpressure, since the greater the pressure in the exhaust tract becomes, the less efficiently the cylinders are exhausted of already-combusted fuel & air. You actually do want a low pressure pulse arriving at the exhaust valve at a certain time, as that assists in the removal of the combustion products toward the end of the exhaust stroke better.

Granted, OVER-scavenging could be a problem, particularly in an emissions-controlled engine (meaning catalytic converters in the exhaust), as this condition implies raw fuel could be drawn into the exhaust and lead to shortened converter life. Much more likely with carbureted engines than sequential multipoint fuel injection, however.

Here's a discussion of scavenging, snipped from
http://www.bishopengine.com/main/timingcovers.html


Exhaust Scavenging
When an engine starts its exhaust stroke, the piston moves up the cylinder bore, decreasing the total chamber volume. With the exhaust valve open, the high pressure exhaust gas escapes into the exhaust manifold or header, creating an exhaust pulse comprising three main parts: The high-pressure head is created by the large pressure difference between the exhaust in the combustion chamber and the atmospheric pressure outside of the exhaust system. As the exhaust gases equalize between the combustion chamber and the atmosphere, the difference in pressure decreases and the exhaust velocity decreases. This forms the medium-pressure body component of the exhaust pulse. The remaining exhaust gas forms the low-pressure tail component. This tail component may initially match ambient atmospheric pressure, but the momentum of the high- and medium- pressure components reduces the pressure in the combustion chamber to a lower-than-atmospheric level. This relatively low pressure helps to extract all the spent fuel from the cylinder and induct the intake charge during the overlap period when both intake and exhaust valves are partially open. The effect is known as scavenging. Length, cross-sectional area, and shaping of the exhaust ports and pipeworks influences the degree of scavenging effect, and the engine speed range over which scavenging occurs.

The magnitude of the exhaust scavenging effect is a direct function of the velocity of the high and medium pressure components of the exhaust pulse. Performance headers work to increase the exhaust velocity as much as possible. One technique is tuned-length primary tubes. This technique attempts to time the occurrence of each exhaust pulse, to occur one after the other in succession while still in the exhaust system. The lower pressure tail of an exhaust pulse then serves to create a greater pressure difference between the high pressure head of the next exhaust pulse, thus increasing the velocity of that exhaust pulse. In V6 and V8 engines where there is more than one exhaust bank, Y-pipes and X-pipes work on the same principle of using the low pressure component of an exhaust pulse to increase the velocity of the next exhaust pulse.

Great care must be used when selecting the length and diameter of the primary tubes. Tubes that are too large will cause the exhaust gas to expand and slow down, decreasing the scavenging effect. Tubes that are too small will create backpressure against which the engine must work to expel the exhaust gas from the chamber, reducing power and leaving exhaust in the chamber to dilute the incoming intake charge. Since engines produce more exhaust gas at higher speeds, the header(s) are tuned to a particular engine speed range according to the intended application. Typically, large primary tubes offer the best gains in power and torque at higher engine speeds, while smaller tubes offer the best gains at lower speeds.

Many headers are also resonance tuned, to utilize the low-pressure reflected wave rarefaction pulse which can help scavenging the combustion chamber during valve overlap. This pulse is created in all exhaust systems each time a change in density occurs, such as when exhaust merges into the collector. For clarification, the rarefaction pulse is the technical term for the same process that was described above in the "head, body, tail" description. By tuning the length of the primary tubes, usually by means of resonance tuning, the rarefaction pulse can be timed to coincide with the exact moment valve overlap occurs.

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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 10:04 AM
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Thank you all for your opinions. I am leaning towards the H setup considering the sound I like and the seemingly small power difference. I am mustering ***** to do the install myself. Will update when done.
Old Apr 27, 2009 | 10:50 AM
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Well all I can say is I run an x-pipe with highflow cats with Borla stingers and I have NO rasp at all. In fact my car has a very deep old school hot rod sound to it.
Old Apr 27, 2009 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by CutterWolf
Well all I can say is I run an x-pipe with highflow cats with Borla stingers and I have NO rasp at all. In fact my car has a very deep old school hot rod sound to it.
Thats exactly the setup I have. It seems like a win win situation. I may just have to flip a coin. Do you have a sound clip?



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