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Reading AFR Gauge

Old Apr 20, 2009 | 07:28 PM
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I've got my new Innovative AFR Gauge installed. I'm running it as a standalone gauge to monitor what's going on.

There seems to be a delay in the reading. As in I get into the throttle but the gauge doesn't seem to register the change. Then when I back out of it it seems like the gauge is a couple of seconds behind. Is that typical?

Also, I realize the AFR is changing constantly, but mine seems to jump all over the place. Even at a steady cruise it can jump from 13.9-15.1. Normal?

What are some common safe reference points? What's a typical reading at idle? cruise (no boost)? low boost? high boost? decel?

Thanks.
Old Apr 20, 2009 | 07:34 PM
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Idle and part throttle should jump around from 14.5-15.2. WOT should be 11.5 or less depending on where your tuner set it at. Low boost (not WOT) should be around 13.5-14.0.
Old Apr 20, 2009 | 08:10 PM
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+1, also it is normal for there to be a delay when changing from closed to open loop.

This can be (and should be on an f/i installation) tuned out via a couple of settings in the tune--the Open Loop Delay Max Time scalar (set to 0 seconds, OEM = 20, and the Open Loop Delay table (also set to 0 seconds, default = 1).
Old Apr 20, 2009 | 08:40 PM
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Guess I was hoping for a bit more instantaneous information. If I run it lean under boost I won't know it until 2 seconds after I back out of the throttle.

Under high boost, how long does a lean condition have to exist to cause real damage?
Old Apr 20, 2009 | 09:55 PM
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What does it settle in at at WOT? Also, you really need to get your tune changed to drop the open loop delays...
Old Apr 20, 2009 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bigmackloud
I've got my new Innovative AFR Gauge installed. I'm running it as a standalone gauge to monitor what's going on.

There seems to be a delay in the reading. As in I get into the throttle but the gauge doesn't seem to register the change. Then when I back out of it it seems like the gauge is a couple of seconds behind. Is that typical?

Also, I realize the AFR is changing constantly, but mine seems to jump all over the place. Even at a steady cruise it can jump from 13.9-15.1. Normal?

What are some common safe reference points? What's a typical reading at idle? cruise (no boost)? low boost? high boost? decel?

Thanks.
My gauge wasn't calibrated correctly and it was doing that. Try recalibrating it
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 10:12 AM
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hmm, my afr at idle is around 14.6 - 15.2 but sometimes when driving it will go up to 15.5 - 16. Should i be concerned? im running a kenne bell with an 11psi pulley but running a very conservative tune only making 370rwhp.
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 10:49 AM
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As long as you are at part throttle when you see 15.5-16 then you are fine and getting great gas mileage.
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 03:49 PM
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When I jump on my gas pedal my air fuel gauge changes right away and yes mine jumps around too at idle or easy running constantly. I also have an innovate gauge.
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 04:06 PM
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In closed loop mode (idle, light loads, and moderate acceleration) the AFR is constantly alternating between rich and lean as the PCM maintaines an average AFR of 14.64:1. Thats all it can do using feedback from the stock narrowband sensors (there are also a LOT of good reasons for doing it this way).

A wideband sensor will read those swings in closed loop mode. With the Innovate LC-1 you can program the response (reporting) rate to 1/12, 1/6, or 1/3 second. This does not change the sampling rate, however it will average the samples at the selected rate and dampen the readout.
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