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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 07:06 PM
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If both head units have a intercooler they usually tend to make similar numbers..

YOu'll be happy with either..
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 07:08 PM
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no need to argue. go to superchargersonline.com look under the tech section and read the vortech v. procharger arcticle. and oxfordgt if you don't have either stfu
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actually, the procharger requires quite a bit more power to turn then a vortech.. the stepup ratio in the pc is like jumping on a 10speed and putting it in 10th gear from the start... tell me how much harder it is to pedal that bike then if it were in 5th gear (like the vortech)...

also, running self contained makes the blower run HOTTER... its a proven fact.. no way to dissipate the heat.... plus, the seals in a PC have a tendency to leak and run the blower dry.

Thats not true. The engine oil which is already extremely hot carries the heat and transfers it to the supercharger. Plus with using the engine oil which isnt as high quality as the procharger oil there is more drag and more friction which creates more heat. The stepup ratio of 4.10:1 isn't making it harder to turn it turns just as easy as a vortech but creates more power by making more boost faster which actually gives you much better low end power then a vortech.
i wont argue.. you win... i dont even need to see your factual information.

Old Nov 18, 2007 | 07:40 PM
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hey hotwheels...

thanks... some people just know everything..

I spend 8hrs a day, 5 days a week on a dyno tuning cars.. I have been drag racing and tuning supercharged car's for 15 yrs... I have run every supercharger out there, done countless tests, seem endless combinations, but in the end, it doesnt matter.. Some guy read something online and thats gospel. Thats why i choose not to argue any more..

If oxford wants to look up my background, feel free to do a search on yahoo about me.

thanks bob kurgan
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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no problem
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 08:08 PM
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I went with procharger and have no regrets. Either unit you choose is a quality unit and will perform well with good driveability. The main reason I went with Procharger is b/c it is self contained, and not that I mind drilling a hole in the oil pan, but I like the idea of everything being seperate. In example, you have a non self contained blower and you spin a bearing or somethingand have metal shavings now circulating in your oil and they get circulated into your very expensive supercharger messing it up as well. So now you have to have your bottemend of your motor went through as well as gettinga newsupercharger head unit. And vice versa, in the rare event that your supercharger as some debrisit will getcirculated into your engine possibly ending the life of your motor. Thesewere justmy thoughts and reasoning for going with my choice to help you see other possibilities before making your final decision. Good luck.
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 08:22 PM
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I went with procharger and have no regrets. Either unit you choose is a quality unit and will perform well with good driveability. The main reason I went with Procharger is b/c it is self contained, and not that I mind drilling a hole in the oil pan, but I like the idea of everything being seperate. In example, you have a non self contained blower and you spin a bearing or somethingand have metal shavings now circulating in your oil and they get circulated into your very expensive supercharger messing it up as well. So now you have to have your bottemend of your motor went through as well as gettinga newsupercharger head unit. And vice versa, in the rare event that your supercharger as some debrisit will getcirculated into your engine possibly ending the life of your motor. Thesewere justmy thoughts and reasoning for going with my choice to help you see other possibilities before making your final decision. Good luck.
i can understand your reasoning, but thats why they make oil filters.... if that doesnt make you feel warm and fuzzy, you can always spend $20 and put an inline filter in the supercharger feed line....

just giving my $.02
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 08:28 PM
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obviously whoever has a procharger will like that better and whoever has a vortech will like that better. Can't go wrong, you will pay more for a procharger because it comes with a i/c. or pay less and with the extra cash fab up your own for the vortech kit. choose out of a hat
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 08:33 PM
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no need to argue. go to superchargersonline.com look under the tech section and read the vortech v. procharger arcticle. and oxfordgt if you don't have either stfu
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actually, the procharger requires quite a bit more power to turn then a vortech.. the stepup ratio in the pc is like jumping on a 10speed and putting it in 10th gear from the start... tell me how much harder it is to pedal that bike then if it were in 5th gear (like the vortech)...

also, running self contained makes the blower run HOTTER... its a proven fact.. no way to dissipate the heat.... plus, the seals in a PC have a tendency to leak and run the blower dry.

Thats not true. The engine oil which is already extremely hot carries the heat and transfers it to the supercharger. Plus with using the engine oil which isnt as high quality as the procharger oil there is more drag and more friction which creates more heat. The stepup ratio of 4.10:1 isn't making it harder to turn it turns just as easy as a vortech but creates more power by making more boost faster which actually gives you much better low end power then a vortech.
i wont argue.. you win... i dont even need to see your factual information.

No I don't have one on my car but I have installed plenty of both on different cars and the procharger always comes out on top so you stfu. I'm sure you had some shop install your vortech and really have no knowledge of how your engine works.

flyin_hawaiin I know who you are and don't need to research you. You are entitled to your opinion and your test results and so am I. I may not be old enough to have been doing this for 15 years but I do know what I am talking about and have tried different things to see what works best.
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 08:42 PM
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only reason procharger kits produce more is because of the intercooler, which you will notice ever kit includes because the damn heat those blowers produce....vortech blowers produce great numbers even without one
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 08:50 PM
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only reason procharger kits produce more is because of the intercooler, which you will notice ever kit includes because the damn heat those blowers produce....vortech blowers produce great numbers even without one
this is the the SMARTEST thing i have heard on this site... Vortech has an airflow engineer who actually knows a thing or 2 about impellers... procharger, on the other hand, goes and carves up an impeller on the CNC machine and then sends it out to the racers to "test"...

I know this because I did testing for them in the past.. they sent me 4 blowers and asked me to tell them which one worked the best... shoot, half the drag radial class runs different "f1r"s... this was proven at the NMRA opener in Bradenton when all the blower guys got torn down and 5 Procharger guys had illegal blowers..

People who "need" an intercooler are much better off with Meth Injection... the advantage of cool air charge, increased octane, cost, and install ease... thats how i sell my vortech kits if the customer wants to make 13psi+



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