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Old Nov 25, 2008 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mustangman281
I spent around $3,000 on my suspension and wouldn't have done it any different. I cut 1.5 60' and with the final upgrades I should cut 1.1-1.3.
I wish I could make the trip to see what your car does when the build's done. What do you have running in your suspension??
Old Nov 25, 2008 | 07:59 PM
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Front suspension
qa1 kmember
qa1 adj struts
qa1 coilovers with 14" 175lbs springs
4 bolt cc plates
bump steer

Rear suspension
qa1 adj shocks
qa1 coilovers with 14" 150lbs springs
megabite jr lower control arms
full length sfc

NEW!!!
baseline suspension prolaunch upper control arms
baseline suspension weld in anti roll bar

Plus lots of weight reduction and weight distribution.
Old Nov 26, 2008 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by dimebag
so for "****s and giggles" lets have a nice little talk/debate about suspension. i want to keep this 100% drag racing, not road racing/handling. now, we all know that if you were to put coilovers on all 4 corners, adj shocks/struts all around, an aftermarket real 4link set up, and all of those fun things on the car, youll have a bad ***, great working setup, and the cars going to 60 like a ****... but heres my real point, is it worth it? quite simple, no. to compare it easily think about your stock intake tube, then switch to a carbonfiber 6inch diameter cold air intake. its huge, its top of the line everything, will youget more gains from it then yuor basic mac cai? ofcourse not. so i think its safe to say suspension is the same way.

ill be the 1st guy to tell you, im all for saving a dollar here and there, working with what i have, and getting the best bang for my buck. hell i was going to get coilovers, but said **** it, because imo i dont NEED them, could i use them? sure, will they be "better" then what i have? yup, will they help? hard to say. are they needed? no

which yup, brings me to my real point, summit upper and lower control arms. are they the best thing out there? hell no, i can name 5 other ones that are "better", but would i 60ft better with those other ones? i personally doubt it, ok i lied, maybe i could pick up 0.005 on my short time with something better but is that worth the few hundred for new lcas? i dont think so, isnt a very SMART move if you ask me. i can say, the only thing i would change is adjustable uppers, id like to set my pinion angle and the CG a little, but i dont expect drastic changes, and wont be buying them untill i find a good deal, or a used set, because what i have now works just fine.

so please someone tell me, who else is cutting 1.6 short times on a worse set up? stock? didnt think so

/rant... now begin discussion
Like i said last night, stock springs will be sufficiant. And for UCA/LCA, anything aftermarket is mostlikly better than stock. I havent seen one aftermarket part worse than stock control arms...
Old Nov 26, 2008 | 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mustangman281
Front suspension
qa1 kmember
qa1 adj struts
qa1 coilovers with 14" 175lbs springs
4 bolt cc plates
bump steer

Rear suspension
qa1 adj shocks
qa1 coilovers with 14" 150lbs springs
megabite jr lower control arms
full length sfc

NEW!!!
baseline suspension prolaunch upper control arms
baseline suspension weld in anti roll bar

Plus lots of weight reduction and weight distribution.
And for you... well... this is a nasty suspension...

Maybe i know what i might give myself for birthday and christmas after all... a nice wish list to save 3K for suspension mods...
Old Nov 26, 2008 | 02:33 AM
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ofcourse theres a limit to everything, do i expect to pull 1.4s on these and have them hold up... nope. but their getting the job done just fine now, and yes, when they fail, ill prolly go get good/expensive uppers/lowers... that kind of proves my point tho, why get what you dont need? if these will get me in the 11.5 range(****, just let that outa the bag i guess) theyll stay on, if they wont, well we will know their good till 12.0s( i know, i know, its the short time to look at, not the et, just making the point, that its the goal in mind, not the best of the best).

i guess a good comparison would be building a 302 based motor, using h beam rods and a hell of a bottom end, only to use the e7te heads, stock cam, and intake and only wanting to make the 225 hp they put out... whyd you just spend xxx on the bottom end, when the **** thats half the price would have been plenty?
Old Nov 26, 2008 | 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dimebag
ofcourse theres a limit to everything, do i expect to pull 1.4s on these and have them hold up... nope. but their getting the job done just fine now, and yes, when they fail, ill prolly go get good/expensive uppers/lowers... that kind of proves my point tho, why get what you dont need? if these will get me in the 11.5 range(****, just let that outa the bag i guess) theyll stay on, if they wont, well we will know their good till 12.0s( i know, i know, its the short time to look at, not the et, just making the point, that its the goal in mind, not the best of the best).

i guess a good comparison would be building a 302 based motor, using h beam rods and a hell of a bottom end, only to use the e7te heads, stock cam, and intake and only wanting to make the 225 hp they put out... whyd you just spend xxx on the bottom end, when the **** thats half the price would have been plenty?

I think that some people, Including me, prefer to buy things once, and not have to worry about buying the same thing later. but like I said, if you never get to that goal, or change your mind along the way, it might not be worth it, or even when new stuff comes along, theres a bunch of different reasons to do a build up like your doing, piece by piece on the inexpensive side of things.

There are different schools on all of these things, Hell, if it were me, I'd just say forge the shortblock, and up the power to get to your goal, go with a 150-200 shot and your there.

Some people would say get a new K-member and some coilovers, lower the weight and put the battery in the trunk, and you might be there. but as far as suspension goes, with your power level, would you say that you're on the edge of how far you can go?
Old Nov 26, 2008 | 03:11 AM
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no, i think my suspension set up will get me to my "goal"

12.5ish on motor
11.5ish on the 100 shot

i expect the 60 to drop some when i do what im looking at doing for power, but i still think that what i have will work just fine, i dont see why it wont... its only going to be a mid 11 car, not a 10 sec or 9 sec beast. now i will be doing things to help it, suspension/wheel wise, but replacing parts i already put on(i.e. the control arms) no, i really doubt ill have to
Old Nov 26, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by teej281
to sprayed99, there isnt anything different between the 2 you posted. if you look at the link to each they are the same link probably. but there is no difference between the 2.
there is defintily a difference. under descrtion both say EVERYTHING the same. both are tublar etc...

but one is 100 bucks and the other is 200

both come with uppers and lowers

OLNY difference as far as i can see like the other member on here said is the 200 dollar package has more hardware
Old Nov 26, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ddmsgtr1
I don't think this is as much a discussion about stock style suspension as it is the amount of cash you throw into it, how much more do you believe you're really getting out of it, and is it worth the extra couple of hundred or more to gain two or three tenths over a setup that cost under $400?
As far as people criticizing Dime, it's just how these cars are percieved. I've seen new edges on Pass Time run mid to high 14s that had blowers or nitrous setups! Some perceive these cars to be mid 15 sec. cars stock, so if your pulling off low 14s, you could easily believe your working miracles. The fact is there are alot of people out there that don't belong behind the wheel of ANYTHING, much less a mustang. And those of us pulling low 14s and high 13s are really just descent or ok drivers, and it comes as a shock when you meet someone that happens to be a very good driver and can pull off 13.7s in a stock car. Looking at what most of us are used to seeing its very hard to believe.
I was referring to other posts on other forums where people say the stock springs arent good for drag. While yes, there are better drag springs out there, on a budget I believe the stockers do a decent job. Drag shocks and struts would make a bigger difference then drag springs IMO. Most people I think wouldnt find it worth it to spend a couple houndred more for a few hundreths of a second. Heck, most people dont even go to the track hardly! For someone who just has fun on the street wouldnt really see a difference from such a small gain. On a budget it makes all the difference to put your money in the right places it will help the most.
Old Nov 26, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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Definately, for the average guy on the street making the occasional track trip, the stockers are just fine. I completely agree that unless you're shooting for a car in the low 11s or better, you're really wasting your money on a full blown competition suspension setup.



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