KB Tear-down
#11
This will allll come down to one thing. What exactly did Mike tell you on the phone about this tune? Did he tell you "this will get you to the dyno" or did he tell you you were fine to rip and romp on the streets with this tune?
If he told you it would be fine to stomp on then he broke a golden KB rule and they need to honor your ruined shortblock and possibly ruined supercharger. Might as well be honest, what did he say?
I stand behind my "opinion" 100% that this motor did not blow catastrophically because 370 horsepower was just oh too much for it. This was a mail order tune that wasn't able to compensate for the variables of Longtubes/full exhaust which resulted in a broken motor. Depends on what he told you about it :P See the pattern?
Please post a full write-up over on Modularfords if you can stand to bare their admins for the 20 mins youl need to write it.
If he told you it would be fine to stomp on then he broke a golden KB rule and they need to honor your ruined shortblock and possibly ruined supercharger. Might as well be honest, what did he say?
I stand behind my "opinion" 100% that this motor did not blow catastrophically because 370 horsepower was just oh too much for it. This was a mail order tune that wasn't able to compensate for the variables of Longtubes/full exhaust which resulted in a broken motor. Depends on what he told you about it :P See the pattern?
Please post a full write-up over on Modularfords if you can stand to bare their admins for the 20 mins youl need to write it.
#12
This will allll come down to one thing. What exactly did Mike tell you on the phone about this tune? Did he tell you "this will get you to the dyno" or did he tell you you were fine to rip and romp on the streets with this tune?
If he told you it would be fine to stomp on then he broke a golden KB rule and they need to honor your ruined shortblock and possibly ruined supercharger. Might as well be honest, what did he say?
I stand behind my "opinion" 100% that this motor did not blow catastrophically because 370 horsepower was just oh too much for it. This was a mail order tune that wasn't able to compensate for the variables of Longtubes/full exhaust which resulted in a broken motor. Depends on what he told you about it :P See the pattern?
Please post a full write-up over on Modularfords if you can stand to bare their admins for the 20 mins youl need to write it.
If he told you it would be fine to stomp on then he broke a golden KB rule and they need to honor your ruined shortblock and possibly ruined supercharger. Might as well be honest, what did he say?
I stand behind my "opinion" 100% that this motor did not blow catastrophically because 370 horsepower was just oh too much for it. This was a mail order tune that wasn't able to compensate for the variables of Longtubes/full exhaust which resulted in a broken motor. Depends on what he told you about it :P See the pattern?
Please post a full write-up over on Modularfords if you can stand to bare their admins for the 20 mins youl need to write it.
#13
Pressure them on this one IMO. At least make them make a public stand/explination. Because they strictly state that they "do not tune for longtubes/full exhaust" and they did just that for you without very strict instructions about what its purpose was and without assigning you a KB sponsored shop to get your car tuned.
On the plus side, if they decide to buy you a new shortblock it will probably be stock. So tell them to just credit you the value of a stock rotating assembly and then pay them the extra bucks difference for a forged bottom end!
On the plus side, if they decide to buy you a new shortblock it will probably be stock. So tell them to just credit you the value of a stock rotating assembly and then pay them the extra bucks difference for a forged bottom end!
Last edited by Hangwire; 04-22-2010 at 10:45 AM.
#14
#15
I guess not to be a dick... but regardless of what Kenne Bell told you... how many times have people preached on here to never use canned tunes. It sucks you had to learn the lesson the hard way, but there is plenty of information out there to warn you against doing this exact thing.
Now I know what you're thinking... it's whack that Kenne Bell advertises that their tune will work and that because they do that, then you should be able to run it.... eh.... common sense says to have your individual car checked after making a serious modification like this.
Now I know what you're thinking... it's whack that Kenne Bell advertises that their tune will work and that because they do that, then you should be able to run it.... eh.... common sense says to have your individual car checked after making a serious modification like this.
#16
I guess not to be a dick... but regardless of what Kenne Bell told you... how many times have people preached on here to never use canned tunes. It sucks you had to learn the lesson the hard way, but there is plenty of information out there to warn you against doing this exact thing.
Now I know what you're thinking... it's whack that Kenne Bell advertises that their tune will work and that because they do that, then you should be able to run it.... eh.... common sense says to have your individual car checked after making a serious modification like this.
Now I know what you're thinking... it's whack that Kenne Bell advertises that their tune will work and that because they do that, then you should be able to run it.... eh.... common sense says to have your individual car checked after making a serious modification like this.
Any support on modular fords or elsewhere is really appreciated guys. I'm a student, I don't have enough money for a new motor and a new blower.. so this warranty claim is definitely important.
#17
I made a lil post trying to lead them in the right direction so that they have to explain :P Dunno whats up with that jerk that replied first hes an idiot.
Moose makes some pretty good points however, when a company tells you its a "dead accurate and safe" tune, it damn well better be!
This is the exact reason i'm driving straight to a shop with my KB instead of sending my computer off to them for 2 weeks to be tuned.
Moose makes some pretty good points however, when a company tells you its a "dead accurate and safe" tune, it damn well better be!
This is the exact reason i'm driving straight to a shop with my KB instead of sending my computer off to them for 2 weeks to be tuned.
#18
I understand, I do. But not only is my motor screwed, but so is the blower. At the very least I think I have a claim for a supercharger replacement.
Any support on modular fords or elsewhere is really appreciated guys. I'm a student, I don't have enough money for a new motor and a new blower.. so this warranty claim is definitely important.
Any support on modular fords or elsewhere is really appreciated guys. I'm a student, I don't have enough money for a new motor and a new blower.. so this warranty claim is definitely important.
I mean I certainly understand the appeal for them to be able to provide a complete, one stop kit... but I think most performance enthusiasts understand a professional tune is necessarily after a modification like this. So if i were them, I would just offer a limp tune and very clearly state the tune is for break-in/limited time purposes only.
#19
I am assuming that you have gone WOT many times before the dyno tune correct?
And it blew of the first "pull"? Right?
So, what did the tuner change exactly that lead up to the motor blowing? Like, what EXACTLY did he do to the tune before he opened it up? Even if it was something as small as "turning traction control off" (irrelevant I know, but just demonstrating a point)
I just don't think you should rule the tuner out completely either, because that small change (whatever it was) was apparently enough to throw your current KB tune over the edge.
Now I can def see this situation happening when modifying an already modified tune, especially if it wasn't created by him. The situation might of been completely different if he "started from scratch," instead of probably just modifying a few things on what was already there?? I dunno, Just thinking out loud.
And it blew of the first "pull"? Right?
So, what did the tuner change exactly that lead up to the motor blowing? Like, what EXACTLY did he do to the tune before he opened it up? Even if it was something as small as "turning traction control off" (irrelevant I know, but just demonstrating a point)
I just don't think you should rule the tuner out completely either, because that small change (whatever it was) was apparently enough to throw your current KB tune over the edge.
Now I can def see this situation happening when modifying an already modified tune, especially if it wasn't created by him. The situation might of been completely different if he "started from scratch," instead of probably just modifying a few things on what was already there?? I dunno, Just thinking out loud.
#20
oh wait wait wait... I guess I didn't know the back story here. This thing came apart on the dyno after someone else had already opened KB's tuned?
The tuner should have shut this thing down immediately if he was monitoring things correctly.
If the engine took out the blower because of what your tuner did... you could have a long road ahead of you.
The tuner should have shut this thing down immediately if he was monitoring things correctly.
If the engine took out the blower because of what your tuner did... you could have a long road ahead of you.