Quick99

Gonna be pretty tough to win that case in court. The car ran ok before it went to the tuners. If any of the parameters were altered from the KB tune.........KB would be off the hook.

0949er

I don't know if that is the case or not, that's why I'm asking. I mean I just don't see the connection to "car fine on street" to "blown on the dyno after 0 changes to tune." I just feel like there had to be SOME kind of change between the original tune, and the initial pull. I could be completely wrong.

thunderhorse

No Eric Brooks didn't do anything to it.. not to mention he has a close relationship with KB, and that this was the first, literally the first car that has ever blown up on him. He hooked it up to the A/F wideband and then he went in for a baseline. He went half throttle on 1st-3rd, then in 4th the monitor read "pig rich", which cleared him for a WOT shot. If you listen in the vid, there's no ping or detonation whatsoever... the thing just goes. And no, I don't expect KB to pick up the tab for the engine either. But some help with a new supercharger I do expect, especially since I am under the 1 year warranty and I literally did everything they said in the instructions etc.

here's the video if you missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-mHKvLsI4w

amoosenamedhank

That's brutal dude... hey.. at least you didn't half *** it! You blew that thing up real good!

cliffyk

I had not previously viewed the video, however IMHO this was nothing more than the failure of one or both rods (it could be one let go and took the other with it), or maybe a shattered piston (the hypereutectic alloy stock piston are somewhat brittle)--likely because one or both were loaded beyond their capacity to cope. This may be because of a manufacturing defect, some previous incidental flirtation with the limits, or repetitive stress from the time the KB was installed up to the dyno run, or just because once in a while shìt happens.

Force applied to the piston (work), which is translated to torque by the crankshaft, is what causes this sort of failure--not horsepower. Horsepower is work done over time, it's a measure of power not applied force.

In short, I do not believe it was anything to do with the tune that precipitated this failure. What I observed was a nice, typical, smooth run-up--right up until the rod(s) or whatever mechanical component let go. There was no big bang, or any other indication of detonation or other tune related event, just a sort of thud/"whoops" and things stopped turning.

One of those "things always go well, right up until they don't" sequence of events...

boduke0220

Lets be honest, the car wouldnt have blown up without the blower. Kb should give him a new blower if it inst fubar'd, and maybe atleast give him a few $$ on the new motor too, because Mike has also been giving my Friend alot of Crap about His MAch 1 not running right on KB's tune.

neubstang

Never use the KB tune, always get a custom dyno tune (no chips/switch chips). When I tried to do an initial start up after installing my KB, the car would not even run. The first thing to do after you open up the box that the KB comes in, is to take the chip and stomp it on the floor. If you have nothing through your pan or block, it's probably a piston or connecting rod failure? Don't put another stock used motor back in the car, even though that's the cheapest fix. I got a built shortblock from Livernois, which gave me a nice foundation.

defconfire

I agree with Cliffy on this one it doesn't seem to be tuning related at all, it just appeared to be a mechanical failure. It happens, and its never fun when it does.

I hope Kenne Bell does help you pick up the tab on the blower. Good Luck getting everything sorted out.

boduke0220

holy crap look who it is!

Hangwire

I think I may have seen this person before.....