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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 08:46 PM
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The first thing that must be understood is that the exhaust flow is not a homogeneous constant flow of gases--it IS a series of pulses that occur at a frequency that is always 1/2 the engine speed (in a 4-stroke/cycle engine).

For our engines the fundamental frequencies range from 6.25Hz at idle to 50.0Hz at 6000 RPM--added to this cacophony are overtones and undertones (upper and lower harmonics), and that the initial exhaust velocity is generally ultrasonic at most engine speeds

What follows is a simplified overview of the fluid dynamics involved, with a lot left out, so please no "but what-about" replies...

A resonator is just what the name implies, it is a resonant chamber that at some frequencies of exhaust pulse will do nothing except slow down the pulse as it enters the chamber, restructure it and then send it on it's way through the smaller hole at t'other end--however at certain "resonant" frequencies it will either enhance or inhibit the velocity (and therefore alter the frequency and harmonics) of the exhaust pulse--this is the "tuned" part.

All chambers that are larger then the exhaust pipe ID will have these resonant and non-resonant frequencies, that's why changing cats/mufflers/resonators and even X and H-pipes with different crossover styles will change the character of the sound. Baffles, perforated inner pipes, and the like in mufflers and resonators further alter the sonic characteristics of each component and ultimately the system as a whole.

So in general, unless you know a bit about fluid dynamics and how various exhaust components interact or like to experiment, it is best to stick with all components from a reputable manufacturer. And selected from a particular "line" within their offerings, as they will have done the engineering to make sure each piece works together nicely.

This is also why the conventional wisdom is that you use chambered mufflers with H-pipes and straight-through mufflers with X-pipes. The fluid flow/sonic characteristics of each blend better with each type of muffler.
Old Aug 10, 2010 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cliffyk
The first thing that must be understood is that the exhaust flow is not a homogeneous constant flow of gases--it IS a series of pulses that occur at a frequency that is always 1/2 the engine speed (in a 4-stroke/cycle engine).

For our engines the fundamental frequencies range from 6.25Hz at idle to 50.0Hz at 6000 RPM--added to this cacophony are overtones and undertones (upper and lower harmonics), and that the initial exhaust velocity is generally ultrasonic at most engine speeds

What follows is a simplified overview of the fluid dynamics involved, with a lot left out, so please no "but what-about" replies...

A resonator is just what the name implies, it is a resonant chamber that at some frequencies of exhaust pulse will do nothing except slow down the pulse as it enters the chamber, restructure it and then send it on it's way through the smaller hole at t'other end--however at certain "resonant" frequencies it will either enhance or inhibit the velocity (and therefore alter the frequency and harmonics) of the exhaust pulse--this is the "tuned" part.

All chambers that are larger then the exhaust pipe ID will have these resonant and non-resonant frequencies, that's why changing cats/mufflers/resonators and even X and H-pipes with different crossover styles will change the character of the sound. Baffles, perforated inner pipes, and the like in mufflers and resonators further alter the sonic characteristics of each component and ultimately the system as a whole.

So in general, unless you know a bit about fluid dynamics and how various exhaust components interact or like to experiment, it is best to stick with all components from a reputable manufacturer. And selected from a particular "line" within their offerings, as they will have done the engineering to make sure each piece works together nicely.

This is also why the conventional wisdom is that you use chambered mufflers with H-pipes and straight-through mufflers with X-pipes. The fluid flow/sonic characteristics of each blend better with each type of muffler.
my exhaust sounded like rattling cans around 2000-2500rpms when i had the o/r x and flows combo. that toned down a bit once i had cats welded into my o/r x my factory h sounded quite a bit better with that same catback
Old Aug 10, 2010 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockwell28
my exhaust sounded like rattling cans around 2000-2500rpms when i had the o/r x and flows combo. that toned down a bit once i had cats welded into my o/r x my factory h sounded quite a bit better with that same catback
I don't like the sound of o/r X-pipes with almost any muffler--in fact I'm not wild about o/r H or X-pipes at all, just too loud and on a "basic bolt-on" GT are advertising something that the car has no possibility of delivering...
Old Aug 10, 2010 | 10:39 PM
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imo the sound is alot better once i put those aftermarket cats on. it just cleaned the sound up more than a bit
Old Aug 11, 2010 | 05:45 AM
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Cliff what are you running for and exhaust on your 03? I haven't seen many pictures of it other than close-ups of the MGW install lol
Old Aug 11, 2010 | 06:18 AM
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Does that explanation make either of you see my point yet or no?
Old Aug 11, 2010 | 07:11 AM
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Cliff is running a UPR o/r X w/ Magnaflow catback....IIRC.
Old Aug 11, 2010 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by cliffyk
I don't like the sound of o/r X-pipes with almost any muffler--in fact I'm not wild about o/r H or X-pipes at all, just too loud and on a "basic bolt-on" GT are advertising something that the car has no possibility of delivering...
understood that completely
Old Aug 11, 2010 | 08:37 AM
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I believe my car is really wickid pissah fast beause it's loud...so take that Devon! lol
Old Aug 11, 2010 | 08:43 AM
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^You are from Massachusetts...I expected nothing less. LOL



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