What don't you like about SC'ing? Things I don't like about turbos. I don't like boost creep with turbos or spikes in boost. I don't like adding two HOT! turbos to the engine compartment. I don't like the look of the stock intake manifold/cover, looks way better with a blower on top of the motor. I don't like any power adder that uses the motor oil for lubrication!

http://www.theturboforums.com/thread...and-engine-bay

 

Then you don't like superchargers. They all use automotive oil as lubrication. Boost creap is due to not picking the correct turbo for your application and not having the correct wastegate for your application.

Turbos: If done correctly, keep the engine bay uncluttered; More flexible mounting positions to fit personal preference; More efficient overall; more flexible power depending on how you want to set 'em up; uses waste heat energy from exhaust vise stealing energy from the drive belt; just sounds better to me; turbo acts as a muffler in exhaust allowing you to be legal if you like it loud by running straigh-pipes; MUCH easier to piece together your own system; overall more fuel efficient; I'd rather replace one expensive turbo than one expensive SCer.
Those are just a few.

SCing: Want more power, you HAVE to buy either a smaller pully or different supercharger; look gaudy sitting on top of the engine; limited mounting positions due to belt drive; limited intercooling options per specific type; EVERYONE has a dang SCer....like to be a little different; HATE that SCer whine ALL of the time.
Just a few.

Also, there is a reason why MOST OEMs use turbos or switch to turbos for forced induction. Turbos are MORE reliable, MORE fuel Efficient and overall Cheaper to purchase than SCers.

 

That is ONE drawback to Turboing a stock N/A car....either the kit is crap or the installer is crap. Adding forced induction is a compromise on all fronts. You can never get EVERYTHING perfect b/c of packaging contraints. Either everything is going to be set up right and your piping is too long or small, or you've get everthing plumbed right, but the angles are off. It can be frustrating. The shorter the piping the better in almost all turbo applications, but that just isn't going to happen in ANY application.

512WHP isn't too back for 6psi.....but not on a twin turbo system. I wouldn't settle for anything less than 550-600. Also, tuning and part-matching is paramount in a turbo system to minimize EGTs, creep, excessive pressures etc.

 

The tuner didn't think it was bad for that pressure either. I was just amazed that the guy spent 7-8 grand on the system + labor or time to get 6 psi and 512 hp.
Now looking at the site Hellion claims 600+ rwhp with a stock motor at 5 psi.

 

This is one of the reasons I don't like the Helion systems. I looked at 'em when I was first seriously considering buying my car. I then looked into them a LOT harder and shortly after, the TwinTurbo50.Com system was first introduced and they did the build up on it. I like it a LOT more. One system for either 500-600 whp up to 1000+ whp. All the customer has to do is decide his/her power goals, install the system and if you want more than 600-ish, get ready to forge your bottom end. Tuning has a LOT to do with the power though. I feel like whoever installed/tuned that Helion system didn't really do a great job.

Another reason that I like turbos over SCing; have you ever driven a modern tuned turbo diesel? WOW! I LOVE that with just my modified stock turbo, I can go from stock powerlevels to over 700ftlbs of torque with just flipping a switch! Now if I just had the $$$ for an all new brake system, new SB Clutch and new ZF6 tranny!!! LOL.

 

Yeah but that's a diesel. I have yet to see a gasoline engine respond to programming like that, if you have an example I'd like to see it. It would be nice if you could adjust on the fly with these motors/ECU but they are not set up for that. So the major advantage of the turbo system, on other vehicles, without installing a lot of other equipment, is lost when using flash programming on the mustangs.

Sorry for the hijack.

 

Not true. With systems like the TwinTurbo50 system, say you started with a forged, fully built engine...and THEN install the system.

You have your tuner do some tuning and create three different tunes for you. Say a 93 MPG tune, a moderate 5-600 hp tune just to drive to work with some swiftness and a 1000hp I'm-gonna-rape-your-honda/supra/etc tune. All loaded on your SCT device. There you have it. Three completely different tunes, three different power levels and ONE turbo system. That is what is awesome about turbos.

 

I had an SRT-4 before my mustang and loved the turbo. Had a larger aftermarket 35r turbo. So for the mustang I wanted to try a centri supercharger. I actually like the feel of this type of turbo better than a turbo because of the smooth come on of the power curve. But yea not being able to turn a controller and up the boost in a matter of seconds is a drawback.

 

Yes that is completely feasible, I was only referring to switching modes on the fly like with the diesels or cars capable of supporting piggyback tuners. In the end it doesn't matter for me, I bought long tubes and like hell am I going to take them back off lol. Its things like investing in parts that may keep people from choosing a turbo system vs superchargers. While the vortech/procharger systems have a lot of piping, they are still easier to remove than a turbo system if you sell the car or change your mind down the road. Maybe in my 65, personal preference is still for a tt system, though I don't think I mind the whine.

 

I was already juggling between SCing and TT, and that sure didn't help.

Good things about both. I've looked at both Vortechs & Whipples.

Whats this about Oil Pumps breaking on these motors?

I sent TT50.com an email, they don't post how long the wait list is.