Everything Twin Turbo
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Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 6
From: Oklahoma
I was already juggling between SCing and TT, and that sure didn't help.
Good things about both. I've looked at both Vortechs & Whipples.
Whats this about Oil Pumps breaking on these motors?
I sent TT50.com an email, they don't post how long the wait list is.
Good things about both. I've looked at both Vortechs & Whipples.
Whats this about Oil Pumps breaking on these motors?
I sent TT50.com an email, they don't post how long the wait list is.
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Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,278
From: Gainesville, FL
Then you don't like superchargers. They all use automotive oil as lubrication. Boost creap is due to not picking the correct turbo for your application and not having the correct wastegate for your application.
Turbos: If done correctly, keep the engine bay uncluttered; More flexible mounting positions to fit personal preference; More efficient overall; more flexible power depending on how you want to set 'em up; uses waste heat energy from exhaust vise stealing energy from the drive belt; just sounds better to me; turbo acts as a muffler in exhaust allowing you to be legal if you like it loud by running straigh-pipes; MUCH easier to piece together your own system; overall more fuel efficient; I'd rather replace one expensive turbo than one expensive SCer.
Those are just a few.
SCing: Want more power, you HAVE to buy either a smaller pully or different supercharger; look gaudy sitting on top of the engine; limited mounting positions due to belt drive; limited intercooling options per specific type; EVERYONE has a dang SCer....like to be a little different; HATE that SCer whine ALL of the time.
Just a few.
Also, there is a reason why MOST OEMs use turbos or switch to turbos for forced induction. Turbos are MORE reliable, MORE fuel Efficient and overall Cheaper to purchase than SCers.
Turbos: If done correctly, keep the engine bay uncluttered; More flexible mounting positions to fit personal preference; More efficient overall; more flexible power depending on how you want to set 'em up; uses waste heat energy from exhaust vise stealing energy from the drive belt; just sounds better to me; turbo acts as a muffler in exhaust allowing you to be legal if you like it loud by running straigh-pipes; MUCH easier to piece together your own system; overall more fuel efficient; I'd rather replace one expensive turbo than one expensive SCer.
Those are just a few.
SCing: Want more power, you HAVE to buy either a smaller pully or different supercharger; look gaudy sitting on top of the engine; limited mounting positions due to belt drive; limited intercooling options per specific type; EVERYONE has a dang SCer....like to be a little different; HATE that SCer whine ALL of the time.
Just a few.
Also, there is a reason why MOST OEMs use turbos or switch to turbos for forced induction. Turbos are MORE reliable, MORE fuel Efficient and overall Cheaper to purchase than SCers.
I didn't say anything about automotive oil. I said "the motor oil". You need to work on your reading comprehension. Manufacturers use turbos because of cost, period. No need to bring up fuel efficiency when talking about a turbo or supercharged v8, but you'd be hard pressed to see a difference in mpg if just adding a whipple and driving normally. Just ask anyone here with a supercharger if their mpg went down during normal driving.
SC'ers only whine when you pass 25% throttle and start making boost. Edelbrock's doesn't make any noise, nor does Kenne bell.
SC'ers are easier to tune. that's why everyone has one. Less likely to blow your motor.
Name a turbo kit that doesn't suffer from boost creep.
Last edited by moosestang; Jan 18, 2013 at 08:00 PM.
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Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 445
From: MD
The turbo on my 7.3L Powerstroke has NEVER suffered from boost creep. Even w/out a WG...it hits 31psi and stays there. This is on a rebuilt stock turbo, modified by myself with a 1.0A/R exhaust housing and a better compressor wheel to stop the surge that was terrible. It's been over 100K miles since the rebuild and ZERO surge or boost creep.
Stopping boost creep is a science of matching turbos to the application. Tuning has a TON to do with this. And turbos are no harder to tune than a SCer. All that is REALLY needed is a RRFPR (Rising Rate Fuel Pressure Regulator) vise a 1:1 regulator. Those that can't tune turbos haven't tried very hard.
Stopping boost creep is a science of matching turbos to the application. Tuning has a TON to do with this. And turbos are no harder to tune than a SCer. All that is REALLY needed is a RRFPR (Rising Rate Fuel Pressure Regulator) vise a 1:1 regulator. Those that can't tune turbos haven't tried very hard.
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Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 219
From: Texas
turbo's are very tuneable. Also you can mod a compressor side to limit/eliminate surge. The right compressor/exhaust side, on the appropriate setup is rather smooth much like a SC. I just wanted to get away from turbo's on this car. I had it on the last but have never gone Supercharged and wanted to try it. I like both. but its personal preference for sure.
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Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 106
From: Virginia
I personaly like turbo also since they are not parasitic energy power adder. Just like any other power adder you need a right tune for your application. I don't have a turbo'd Mustang but I have turbo'd 4 banger that I used to daily drive. The feeling of the power boost is unsurpassed and I love the sound of the BOV.
I've driven a supercharged and the power boost does not excite me so much as red- lining my 5.0 thru the gears.
I would suggest driving one of each and decide from there.
I've driven a supercharged and the power boost does not excite me so much as red- lining my 5.0 thru the gears.
I would suggest driving one of each and decide from there.
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,071
From: CA
The turbo on my 7.3L Powerstroke has NEVER suffered from boost creep. Even w/out a WG...it hits 31psi and stays there. This is on a rebuilt stock turbo, modified by myself with a 1.0A/R exhaust housing and a better compressor wheel to stop the surge that was terrible. It's been over 100K miles since the rebuild and ZERO surge or boost creep.
Stopping boost creep is a science of matching turbos to the application. Tuning has a TON to do with this. And turbos are no harder to tune than a SCer. All that is REALLY needed is a RRFPR (Rising Rate Fuel Pressure Regulator) vise a 1:1 regulator. Those that can't tune turbos haven't tried very hard.
Stopping boost creep is a science of matching turbos to the application. Tuning has a TON to do with this. And turbos are no harder to tune than a SCer. All that is REALLY needed is a RRFPR (Rising Rate Fuel Pressure Regulator) vise a 1:1 regulator. Those that can't tune turbos haven't tried very hard.
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From: NC
I didn't say anything about automotive oil. I said "the motor oil". You need to work on your reading comprehension. Manufacturers use turbos because of cost, period. No need to bring up fuel efficiency when talking about a turbo or supercharged v8, but you'd be hard pressed to see a difference in mpg if just adding a whipple and driving normally. Just ask anyone here with a supercharger if their mpg went down during normal driving.
SC'ers only whine when you pass 25% throttle and start making boost. Edelbrock's doesn't make any noise, nor does Kenne bell.
SC'ers are easier to tune. that's why everyone has one. Less likely to blow your motor.
Name a turbo kit that doesn't suffer from boost creep.
SC'ers only whine when you pass 25% throttle and start making boost. Edelbrock's doesn't make any noise, nor does Kenne bell.
SC'ers are easier to tune. that's why everyone has one. Less likely to blow your motor.
Name a turbo kit that doesn't suffer from boost creep.
You're relating manufacturer cost on turbos? Have you seen the kind of OEM turbos they use?
Name a legit turbo kit that does suffer boost creep, that was installed correctly. Turbos are not harder to tune, I don't know where you get your facts.... Turbos are however more difficult to install, if you don't know what your doing or inexperienced.
Before you start posting facts, make sure they carry some weight behind them.
Lastly, your tone is annoying. You're not special so don't act like it.
Last edited by jayman33; Jan 21, 2013 at 10:45 PM.
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Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 219
From: Texas
My whippled Mustang's gas mileage went down during normal driving, city driving is the worst for SC cars. You should know that, kenne bell whines, a lot. How many Kenne bells have you heard in person? SCer's are easier to tune? Do you tune? Or are you just claiming that with no weight to back that up? 25% throttle is only when you hear whine? Where do you get these bogus facts? Also, every SC'er makes noise after break in and especially after opening the airway such as an open airbox/ filter.
You're relating manufacturer cost on turbos? Have you seen the kind of OEM turbos they use?
Name a legit turbo kit that does suffer boost creep, that was installed correctly. Turbos are not harder to tune, I don't know where you get your facts.... Turbos are however more difficult to install, if you don't know what your doing or inexperienced.
Before you start posting facts, make sure they carry some weight behind them.
Lastly, your tone is annoying. You're not special so don't act like it.
You're relating manufacturer cost on turbos? Have you seen the kind of OEM turbos they use?
Name a legit turbo kit that does suffer boost creep, that was installed correctly. Turbos are not harder to tune, I don't know where you get your facts.... Turbos are however more difficult to install, if you don't know what your doing or inexperienced.
Before you start posting facts, make sure they carry some weight behind them.
Lastly, your tone is annoying. You're not special so don't act like it.