Windsor blocks are made stronger then Cleveland blocks. Stock, a cleveland will kill a windsor, but now, with all the aftermarket parts for a Windsor, i would start with a windsor block, and put all new stuff in it. Good power, and reliable.

 

Yeah, we could also have a smiley for "disk brake uprade" and "where is my VIN."

 

lol, thats true.

 

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...115+4294838909

and a set of thse for the above engine..
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...115+4294840124


http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...115+4294840123


either way.. there ya go if you want MEGAPOWA!!!1!!11!11eleventyone!!11!

All ya need is cash.

Actually the 514 shortblock looks might tasty... especially at the price... hey that would fit the 71.. I could make OMGMEGAPOWA!!1!!!111111!!!1!11!

 

The first two Trick flows read to be the same head, but one is 2,459 bux and the other is 860. What is the difference?

 

click the linky,
first one is for the pair and is complete (springs,valve,etc...)
second is just one head and bare.

 

can someone explain to me how the cleveland is a "racing engine" and the windsor is "more effecient".

 

ford designed the cleveland to be their streetable racing engine. they put them in cars and on the street so they would qualify with the rules of nascar to be used as a race engine. or im thinking about the 429.

 

Well... the Cleveland ended up in mostly mustangs, Cougars and Torinos. The Windsor was in trucks, LTDs, and other pedestrian types of vehicular transport. There was the rather exotic 4V head, that had huge splayed valves, enormous ports and was built with fords thinking at the time of BIGGER IS BETTER in port design. Yeah at high rpm it is, but you still need velocity through the port.

Use stock heads, stock type pistons, stock intakes, just change the cam, carb and put headers on them and see what runs harder. the Cleveland was WAAAAY undercammed for what it was, the 4V and 2V used the same cams. Only diffrence is the heads and intakes. Change that and its a ready made race engine with good rods, awesome flowing heads, and still lighter than the BOSS429 and the FE series. Read "mildy disgused race engine"

The Windsor responds well to upgrades, but the huge drawback from the factory is the heads and intake. Since the W is taller the intake was lowered and thus the ports actually drop below the head and then come back up to it rather than being a shorter straighter path. That sort of comprimise was the problem with Windsors for years untill new heads with much better flowing ports and a proper intake were made for it. Only then were the Ws able to keep up with the clevelands. Read "pedestrian conveyance engine"

The heads came from the 5.0L aftermarket, since the mustang was light and ran pretty well with small changes for the 80s, sorta like LS1s today, they developed heads, intakes, blocks, cams and all the other goodies that the 302 never had before.
before 1989 it was VERY rare to see ANYONE racing a Windsor, if they were racing a Ford and didnt have an FE, 460 or 302 it was Cleveland.

Since all you need to do to make the same head fit 302 and 351W is to make the head bolt holes 1/2" instead of 7/16" it was an easy thing to do so they could sell the heads for more engines. without the 302 boom in the Fox mustang era, the Windsor would be in junkyards and rusted out old trucks. There would be more headswaps and Clevors being built because Clevelands are high RPM engines and RPMS chuck rods. They were only built from 70-74, so they arent as plentiful. its relatively easy to swap Cleveland heads on a Windsor so it would have been a replacement block.

Why dont we see more Clevors? Simple.. It is easier to build a windsor and use an aftermarket 5.0 head than to get the manifold to fit the Cleveland heads on it. only one guy was making the Clevor intake about the same time as complanies like Edelbrock and AFR started making Windsor heads. Trust me, before the 5.0 aftermarket came about, there was NOTHING for a windsor out there.. nothing..



Be that as it may, I like both the same amount. Parts are easy to come by for W motors especially blocks and cranks. So many clevelands have been blown up whlie racing, there is a shortage of them. For the 66 and earlier cars, the Windosr is an awesome swap. Same with Fox mustangs, its nearly a bolt in deal. Installing a Cleveland takes headers and a bit of work to get it in there right..

both make power, but Clevelands do it with more factory Ford parts than do Windsors.