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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 11:18 PM
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any fox mustangs with v-8's have the 302, a ton of 80's and 90's ford trucks have 302's, some t-birds had 302's, look for older model ford trucks too, you might score a 351 if your lucky
Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:05 AM
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Pretty much any ford car, truck, etc. As long as you dont pick up a 351C or bigger you're good. A cleveland can fit with some mods.
Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:17 AM
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could you give me a hint what type of cars will have that engine in it and what rear do u sugest the 9 inch rear?
The 302 can't be modded enough to break an 8" rear, but if you get a bargain basement price on a nice 9" then you will be rear end happy no matter what you put in there in the future.
Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:25 AM
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im in the same boat man. im 18 with a 67 and im looking at a 350 with 350 turbo trans. trying to figure it all out. let me know what you find out.
Old Mar 21, 2007 | 03:17 AM
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like they said the 4.6 wont fit with out cuting the car in half almost the rear end question you dont really need a 9 inch you can use one but a 8 inch or 8.8 will work fine if you want a newer mustang for a engine and trans look for a fox body they are cheap do you want a auto or stick
Old Mar 21, 2007 | 12:44 PM
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before i start lets just say im bout to turn 18 and dont have a bunch of money .i have a friend that has a 350 chevy that he had some work done on but now he wants to convert over to a big block for drags and offered me the trans (turbo-350)and engine will it fit in my 65 stang without major surgery to the shocktowers and all that because it will be like paying pennies on the dollars compared to a ford engine and it was re done like 500 miles ago so it wont have to be refreshed right now i have 250straight 6 i no basic stuff like mounts and springs and the radiatior and other litle stuff but anyother things i need to know before i take the engine trans combo
A thought toward the "soft issues" involved . . .

Quite separate from the swap issues (headaches)- I'm seriously afraid that it would end up costing you the friendship even if you asked. Your friend has apparently made to you the best offer that he can. Either asking for permission to sell it, or worse, selling it behind his back, says quite clearly that his offer simply isn't good enough (but that you're willing to take advantage of him in ways that he isn't expecting).

The best thing you can do in this case at this particular time is to thank him for his generous offer,but that you will politely decline. You won't be able to buy the kind of respect that will earn you at any price. Trust me on that.

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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:37 PM
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A thought toward the "soft issues" involved . . .

Quite separate from the swap issues (headaches)- I'm seriously afraid that it would end up costing you the friendship even if you asked. Your friend has apparently made to you the best offer that he can. Either asking for permission to sell it, or worse, selling it behind his back, says quite clearly that his offer simply isn't good enough (but that you're willing to take advantage of him in ways that he isn't expecting).

The best thing you can do in this case at this particular time is to thank him for his generous offer,but that you will politely decline. You won't be able to buy the kind of respect that will earn you at any price. Trust me on that.

Norm
Well put Norm, but I don't think explaining that a Chevy 350 won't fit and then broaching the subject of selling it or trading it for a Ford 302 is out of the question. My idea exactly regarding the issue of taking it and then turning around and selling it.
Old Mar 21, 2007 | 03:26 PM
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A thought toward the "soft issues" involved . . .

Quite separate from the swap issues (headaches)- I'm seriously afraid that it would end up costing you the friendship even if you asked. Your friend has apparently made to you the best offer that he can. Either asking for permission to sell it, or worse, selling it behind his back, says quite clearly that his offer simply isn't good enough (but that you're willing to take advantage of him in ways that he isn't expecting).

The best thing you can do in this case at this particular time is to thank him for his generous offer,but that you will politely decline. You won't be able to buy the kind of respect that will earn you at any price. Trust me on that.

Norm
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That is very sound advice. I would just pass and then watch the newspapers for a 80's Fox body and buy the whole car that way you will have themotor, trans,all the brackets & and the little things you dont think about for the swap. Plus when your doneyou can possibly resell what left over and recoop some of your money.

Now on the other hand & I mean no disrespect to the 6 banger guys, but those cars are a dime a dozen. putting that SBC is not a big deal and will most likely give him the most bang for the buck performance wise. You are not going to match the performance of a warmed over 350 with a 302 ford with out spending some serious cash. I am not saying it cant be done as I have a very healty 289 powered Mustang. I am not tring to start trouble but come on be honest. I built a '39 Ford Coupe and put a SBC /Auto in it and it was no big deal. sure you need to build mounts, a Crossmember, exhaust, cut a driveshaft, radiator(the inlet & outlets are on opposite sides) add a aftermarket shifter etc..

As I all ready said My vote is go all Ford but if the SBC is such a smoken deal he cant pass it up then go for it. One thing for sure if ever shows the car it will get a lot of attention. The ford guys will hate it, the chevy & street rod guys will love it and the mopar guys will finaly see why they couldn't catch it.
Old Mar 21, 2007 | 03:42 PM
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I think to avoid a lot of pucker-burn andhead shakingon this site andthe multitude of dedicated enthusiasts that may see or hear that such a travesty is taking place we will offer this thorough and final analasys.......NO! A 350 Chevy will not fit in a Mustang!!! There. No need to try. Now sell it and move on.Wouldn't put a Tecumsehin a Harley now would ya???? Say no....please, please, please...say no!!!
Old Mar 21, 2007 | 06:28 PM
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Long, but try to bear with me.

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I think to avoid a lot of pucker-burn andhead shakingon this site andthe multitude of dedicated enthusiasts that may see or hear that such a travesty is taking place we will offer this thorough and final analasys.......NO! A 350 Chevy will not fit in a Mustang!!! There. No need to try. Now sell it and move on.Wouldn't put a Tecumsehin a Harley now would ya???? Say no....please, please, please...say no!!!
I don't think I'd word it in quite such absolute terms. It can come back to haunt you, if only that word gets around that your credibility is open to question.

Back on topic . . .

Anyway, there really aren't a whole lot of reasons to make this swap, and all pretty much assume that you already have a Mustang with a dead/missing/inadequate engine and a complete powertrain from that other company.

As I think I've mentioned previously, doing it as a means of saving your Mustang from the crusher is a reason that perhapsstarts to make a little sense. In some communities, cars are required to be registered, tagged, insured, inspected, and operable - otherwise either the town or perhaps the condominium association has the authority to get it towed. So it is possible to find yourself under some external pressure to do something.

Relative to some of the GM chassis that the SBC has been fitted to, the Mustang does offer a few advantages. I'm pretty sure that you can get more advantageous weight distribution in an early Mustang than you canin, say, a Nova (though I will admit that I'm not sure how well that holds vs the Camaro). So if you're coming from a GM background but maintain greater loyalty to the SBC engine family that you do to the cars that it was installed in, the Mustang chassis looks to be something of an upgrade. Engine setback is kind of nice.

You *might* be able to find a racing class in which some advantage might show up, though I can't think of one offhand. In any event, competition use starts to beg the question about engine weight. In all-iron trim, the SBC is about a hundred lbs heavier than the 289/302/5.0. That's still 50 or so even if you go with aluminum heads on theBowtie and keep the iron heads on the Blue Oval. But then again, if you're looking for competition-based advantages from this sort of cross-marque swap, you're looking at the wrong small Chevy engine anyway (dare I whisper "LS1/LS2/LS . . .)?

There's probably another very narrowly defined set of circumstances or two, perhaps including the case where you have a Mustang that's in such bad shape that regardless of how you rebuild it, very little is going to remain original anyway (think "extensive structural repair and modification").

I guess what I'm still trying to say is that cases in favor of this swap that actually have some merit (other than being "stubbornly different" or "in your face" about it all) are going to be few and far between.

Norm
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