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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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Hmmm. I wonder how many new cars are running with electrical fuel pumps?
Old Jul 6, 2007 | 08:00 PM
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P- Do you have another suggestion for me? I'd rather not do the electric pump, but what are my options? Do you know if I can get away with shaving my eccentric? Is your timing chain single or double stran? If double, how did you get your cover on?
I'm not racing it so I think the constant pressure will suffice.
My '79 stang had a single roller in it when I got it. Also from what I remember the late 70's 351's also had single roller with 2 different sets/styles of timing gears. Plastic coated timing gears and full metal gears.
I guess Im not seeign what your problem is here. Is the eccentric ring too far forward? And it cant engage the fuel pump rod?
I thought that 289 blocks and 302 blocks where identical? Anyway, you could always try getting a timing cover off of a lets say '85 302 HO and get the matching pump......

And soaring, Im still not wrong vapor lock is caused by boiling fuel, which is usually in the lines or the carb. Not in the pump. Key word USUALLY.
And to answer your other question, todays cars run a electric pump because they can keep a constant fuel pressure and at a MUCH higher psi. Where as mechanical pumps need rpm increase to increase pressure and volume. Aside from that the pressure isnt consistant enough for fuel injection.
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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 08:12 PM
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P- Do you have another suggestion for me? I'd rather not do the electric pump, but what are my options? Do you know if I can get away with shaving my eccentric? Is your timing chain single or double stran? If double, how did you get your cover on?
I'm not racing it so I think the constant pressure will suffice.
My '79 stang had a single roller in it when I got it. Also from what I remember the late 70's 351's also had single roller with 2 different sets/styles of timing gears. Plastic coated timing gears and full metal gears.
I guess Im not seeign what your problem is here. Is the eccentric ring too far forward? And it cant engage the fuel pump rod?
I thought that 289 blocks and 302 blocks where identical? Anyway, you could always try getting a timing cover off of a lets say '85 302 HO and get the matching pump......

And soaring, Im still not wrong vapor lock is caused by boiling fuel, which is usually in the lines or the carb. Not in the pump. Key word USUALLY.
And to answer your other question, todays cars run a electric pump because they can keep a constant fuel pressure and at a MUCH higher psi. Where as mechanical pumps need rpm increase to increase pressure and volume. Aside from that the pressure isnt consistant enough for fuel injection.
-P.
I agree, USUALLY vapor lock is caused by boiling fuel in the lines or in the carb, but you can't say that a mechanical fuel pump will not cause vapor lock, because I have seen it too many times. Again, an electric fuel pump located very near the top of the tank or inside the tank will give you an efficient way to deliver fuel to your carb. That is a fact.
Old Jul 7, 2007 | 09:34 AM
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P- my problem is the timing cover. when I tried to put on the timing cover it hits the eccentric and won't flush up with the block. Because the timing gear/chain is wider the eccentric sits farther out and hits the cover. I'm going to try shaving the eccentric...what do I have to lose? Then go with the electric pump if it won't work. Can I get a block off plate anywhere?? NAPA?
Old Jul 7, 2007 | 09:44 AM
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Hey Partner,

I had the same problem this past winter with my 5 bolt block. I fixed with a kit from summit. It has two piece and a couple dowel pins. Even though, I'm running an electric, I still added the concentric. Do a search on Summit.

Good Luck
Old Jul 7, 2007 | 04:52 PM
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Hey Partner,

I had the same problem this past winter with my 5 bolt block. I fixed with a kit from summit. It has two piece and a couple dowel pins. Even though, I'm running an electric, I still added the concentric. Do a search on Summit.

Good Luck
To the OP, when taking the above into account, before doing anything, you need to find someone who knows how to get that dowell pin out of the cam so it can be replaced with the longer pin needed for the eccentric. I had one hell of a time getting that pin out, after using every trickI knew, including "fire and ice", I had to drill the SOB out because I had damaged the pin so bad that I had to change it at that point. (Read closely, I drilled that bastard out after wasting several hours trying to get it out. Somehow, I managed to get the drill started dead center of the pin and dead straight using a drill press,,, can you say blind luck?).

By that point,,,,,,, I was pissed! [:@]

If I had it to do over, and I absolutly had to change that pin, I would take it to a machine shop....
Old Jul 8, 2007 | 12:35 AM
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You Know, my Friend,

I think I would have "yanked"out the cam and started over, at that point. That's awful!
Old Jul 8, 2007 | 01:53 AM
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You Know, my Friend,

I think I would have "yanked"out the cam and started over, at that point. That's awful!
Yea, that was the absolute worst issue we have had to deal with so far in all of the work done to the 66.....

Sometimes what seems like the most simplistic tasksend upbiting me in the ***!

If that is as bad as it gets I will be ok,,,,
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