Thats what happens when safety designs cars.

 

i believe the viper was killed off this year along with the magnum and crossfire

 

yeah @ climbing gas $$$$$ looks like all the v8 let alone v10 autos and trucks will take a huge hit in this country
Im wondering if ill ever be able to drive my hot rod @ all when its done.

 

From one of the old farts on the forum...the second car I ever bought back in the very early 70s was a 1969 Mach I 351w. I drove it a couple of years and traded it on a 1973 Plymouth Barracuda 318, which was the Plymouth version of the Challenger (different tailights). Right nowmy DD is a 2005 Mustang. Could happen again. The new Challenger looks a lot like the 71-73 Challenger/Barrcuda. I traded based on styling, not power.

Also had a friend who at the same time traded his 69 Mach for a 73 Barracuda 440 six pack. Talk about pure gut ripping power...that thing was almost unmanageable. It had so much torque to the back tires it wasvirtually impossible to drive if the road was wet.

I think the front of the car looks so heavy in the photo because of the low angle.

 

Yeah, word is the Viper is getting the Axe from the Chrysler lineup. And the new Challenger looks good, but it's gonna be a freaking tank. 425hp Hemi is nice, but a 4,140lb curb weight? Fail. That and auto and open dif only for the first year. If they made it lighter it would have been nice, what's the point of a performance car that's too heavy to have decent performance?

 

i like the new challenger more than the new camaro, and the productions of the new camaro got put off till 2009 i think, failed its safety test.

 

+1 and -1

Before the Crapmaro, yes. Before the Mustang, NO!



I think the challenger is cool, but I don't know how well it will do. Dodge is in shoddy standings as far as I've last heard. I mean, I hope Mopar/Chrysler/Diamler/Benz/whatever the hell they are calling themselves these days get's their **** together, but I hope that Ford does first.

Aside from 64.5-73 Mustangs, '55 and '63 T-Birds and a '59 Galaxie Fairlane, I really wouldn't go for Fords anymore. They just don't do it the same. Instead of concentrating on quality, they concentrate on building more and fasterthan Japanese auto makers. Unfortunately, the Japanese people as a whole take more pride in every aspect of their lives than Americans and that is what makes theyir cars farmore reliablethan ours.

My turn in the flame suit.[/ziiiiiiiiip]

 

For some of us, that's a deal-breaker in and of itself. After that, nothing else about the car matters.

If you can look past the (lack of) tranny choice, the car is still several hundred lbs overweight and reminds me more of the so-called "personal luxury" class of cars like the original Monte Carlo and GM's corporate twins. Fast? Probably. Hardcore ponycar? Nope.

My S197 GT is somewhere between production and delivery. The more I hear (read?) the less impressed I become with either of the not-quite-here-yet "competition".


Norm

 

New BMW M5 over any of the new US retro-cars500bhp v10 anybody, Only if I had the money

 

Or the M3, which isarguably a better ponycar match in terms of weight, cylinder count (image)and power.


Norm