OK, I finally got the starter off so I could see what the pan rail numbers are, the engine is a '80 that has been rebuilt to be a HO 302, hence the firing order. As for the brackets, I cannot find them ANYWERE. Can you suggest a place to get the brackets. Also I was thinking of getting these mounts from summit racing if I can't find the brackets. If you could, go to summitracing.com and look at part number pio A2344 and tell me what you think. I was almost thinking that these mounts, compared to the ones that need brackets, might make the engine sit to low.