Classic Mustangs (Tech) Technical discussions about the Mustangs of yester-year.

true roller timing gear set small block ford

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 28, 2011 | 06:37 PM
  #1  
001mustang's Avatar
001mustang
Thread Starter
3rd Gear Member
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 889
From: tn
Default true roller timing gear set small block ford

i just noticed my timing chain is not a true roller.

i want true roller timing gear sets for 351w (1979 fwir).

there are discrepancies in compatible dates.

i would guess my 351W flat tappet would use same chain set as 289.

i would guess chain sets are different: flat tappet vs. roller lifter.

any body know differences or dimensions of sbf timing chains?

what brand sbf double roller chain hold up well?
Old Feb 28, 2011 | 06:50 PM
  #2  
mr_velocity's Avatar
mr_velocity
4th Gear Member
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,027
From: NJ
Default

Go with a Cloyes or Rollmaster. I've used Cloyes forever on my BB chevys and never had an issue, I'm now using Rollmaster. Pretty much the mainstay of the industry, can't go wrong with either.
Old Feb 28, 2011 | 07:45 PM
  #3  
001mustang's Avatar
001mustang
Thread Starter
3rd Gear Member
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 889
From: tn
Default

thanks.

i will look at Cloyes & Rollmaster.

mine is stamped(11-98 111X; FE3-1, E3AE-A3A; 321).
looks pretty good after 7000 miles but has 0.4" stretch if i push if firmly.
ford spec is 0.5" but i don't know how firmly to push. (After review of ford manual and my tom monroe book my actual slack is 0.4"/2 = 0.2")

mine has 2 piece fuel pump eccentric.

some have note about thrust plate modification req'd.

Last edited by 001mustang; Feb 28, 2011 at 10:13 PM. Reason: chain slack
Old Feb 28, 2011 | 07:59 PM
  #4  
001mustang's Avatar
001mustang
Thread Starter
3rd Gear Member
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 889
From: tn
Default

Now this is interesting.

my numbers match cloyes numbers on the true roller set.

i could swear my chain is not true roller...hmmmm.

Attached Thumbnails true roller timing gear set small block ford-clo-9-1138_w.jpg  
Old Feb 28, 2011 | 08:02 PM
  #5  
67mustang302's Avatar
67mustang302
6th Gear Member
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 10,468
From: California
Default

Do you have pics of yours?
Old Feb 28, 2011 | 08:13 PM
  #6  
001mustang's Avatar
001mustang
Thread Starter
3rd Gear Member
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 889
From: tn
Default

Looks like I have:
Cloyes Heavy-Duty Timing Sets CLO-C3057K w/ 0.2" non true roller double chain.

Looks like I want:
Cloyes Gear 9-1138 - Cloyes Street True Roller Timing Sets w/ 0.25" true rollers.

My casting numbers match but i will need new gear machined for larger 0.25" rollers.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CLO-9-1138/
Old Feb 28, 2011 | 08:22 PM
  #7  
001mustang's Avatar
001mustang
Thread Starter
3rd Gear Member
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 889
From: tn
Default

same same but different

will be interesting to see how much deflection a new chain has.
Attached Thumbnails true roller timing gear set small block ford-67-jasper-timing-gear.jpg  

Last edited by 001mustang; Feb 28, 2011 at 08:27 PM.
Old Feb 28, 2011 | 10:48 PM
  #8  
001mustang's Avatar
001mustang
Thread Starter
3rd Gear Member
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 889
From: tn
Default .5" deflection from chain center is ford spec

ford spec is .5" deflection maximum from straight line off sprockets; this is half of total deflection.
my total deflection is .4 inches.
since my half deflection is only .2 inches i may just run w/ my current chain.
Old Mar 5, 2011 | 09:48 PM
  #9  
001mustang's Avatar
001mustang
Thread Starter
3rd Gear Member
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 889
From: tn
Default

placing an order soon and am really wanting that true roller timing chain set.

i prefer 1 piece eccentric fuel pump cam.

i have a 1.12" and a 1.38" cam drive pin.

for the 1.38" pin to work the 1 pc eccentric cam sprocket must be about 1/4" thinner than the 2 pc eccentric cam sprocket.

does anyone know the thickness of sbf 1 piece eccentric cam sprocket?

not getting anywhere fast. i think the long 1.375" pin fits pre 73 1 piece eccentrics w/ a thin OEM cam gear w/ single chain.

i think double roller cam gears may be thicker and require a rare <5/16" dowel pin?

not sure who sells the <5/16" cam dowel pins?

can't be this hard.

Last edited by 001mustang; Mar 6, 2011 at 12:43 AM.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
ShaneB26154
4.6L (1996-2004 Modular) Mustang
35
Mar 4, 2021 04:05 AM
kdryan
2005-2014 Mustangs
7
Aug 21, 2015 04:01 PM
inyadreems
Archive - Mustangs For Sale
2
Aug 21, 2015 09:10 AM
WDScott
New Member Area
7
Aug 17, 2015 06:38 AM
Mnuckolls
4.0L V6 Technical Discussions
3
Aug 9, 2015 08:54 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:32 PM.