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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 04:25 PM
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Any tips on how long it should take with a hand pump with all new lines, hoses, and dual master cylinder?
Old Feb 25, 2012 | 04:32 PM
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Hand pump? I use the brake pedal. About 20 strokes for the right rear, and 10 for the other three.
Old Feb 25, 2012 | 04:44 PM
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How do I do the brake pedal bleed? Open the right rear bleeder have someone slowly step on the brake, tighten speed bleeder, then repeat? Or do you just open the speed bleeder and just slowly pump the brake pedel 20 times?

I installed a new dual master cylinder, what's a bench bleed?
Old Feb 25, 2012 | 05:27 PM
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Bench bleeding is filling the cylinder while it's not installed. System bleeding as you describe. I've done it both with and without a helper, seems to work pretty much the same.

Old Feb 25, 2012 | 07:55 PM
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how to bleed in the car

Bleeding the brakes requires a properly sized box wrench for the bleeder and the clear plastic bleed hose provided with your system. Good quality, non-silicone fluid is also a must. Baer Brakes has tested a wide variety of fluids and has found most to be quite good for Street and Light Track uses. Best results are found with good quality, fresh DOT-3 or DOT-4 fluids. We recommend the use of silicone DOT-5 Silicone fluid only for show cars that will not see normal use. DOT-3 and DOT-4 are available at your local parts supplier. For racing, Baer recommends and uses only Castrol SRF. Baer stocks and sells Castrol SRF.

Always remember, good to excellent brakes or fluid do not function without adequate cooling. In fact, the more serious your brake system, the more attention that needs to be directed to proper ducting, as they will generate more heat due to increased capacity.

BLEEDING BRAKES IS NOT DONE WITH PRESSURE, IT IS PURELY A FUNCTION OF MOVING FLUID THROUGH THE SYSTEM. THE OBJECT IS TO DISPLACE AIR, NOT TO SEE HOW FAR FLUID CAN BE SHOT OUT OF THE CALIPER!
Proper Bleeding Technique

Enlist someone who will help you bleed the brakes. Make sure they also read these instructions carefully (so they understand the goal).

For systems which are essentially dry front and rear, start by filling the master cylinder with proper fluid. Pour slowly so as not to aerate the fluid.
Next, move to the first caliper, attach the clear plastic bleed hose to the bleeder and open it. Hold the hose upright so that you can monitor the escape of air bubbles. VERY SLOWLY stroke the brake pedal by hand or foot until fluid comes out. Now close the bleeder.
ACTUAL BLEEDING SEQUENCE:
Have your partner very slowly, with modest pressure (approximately 25-30 lbs.ft.), stroke the pedal ONE TIME until hydraulic resistance is encountered. Ask your partner to hold at this point with the same modest and even pressure and notify you that he is “holding.”
Open the bleeder, letting the pedal go to the floor or until it stops, using the same modest level of pressure, then close the bleeder again. Notify your partner “the system is sealed.” He can then slowly release pedal pressure.
Repeat the BLEEDING SEQUENCE (never stroke the pedal more than one time) until all signs of air are purged (no bubbles) from fluid. IMPORTANT
NOTE: DO NOT LET THE MASTER CYLINDER RUN DRY! Be sure to check the fluid level after every third bleeding sequence or sooner if reservoir volume is very small.
Before moving to the next caliper, take a small block of wood or a plastic hammer and carefully tap the caliper to dislodge any additional air bubbles that may be trapped. Then bleed one last time.
Move to the next caliper and repeat the procedures previously outlined. Continue until all calipers have been bled. Before re-installing wheels and placing the car on the ground, we recommend you carefully wipe clean all caliper surfaces, hose joints and fittings, making sure they are all dry and free from seepage. If not, inspect and tighten appropriately. Spray all rotor surfaces with Brake Kleen® or a similar product to remove all dirt and oils from your hands that may have been transferred to the rotor during assembly. Also remember to remove the nut that has been holding rotor in place before attempting to re-install the wheel.
For street use, as with any time you open the brake system, it may be advisable to repeat the bleeding procedure after driving the vehicle for a day, as driving the car may dislodge some additional air bubbles. For competition cars, we recommend repeating this procedure directly after at least the first two sessions the car is on track and at the beginning of each race weekend thereafter.

Even if your pedal is high and firm and additional bleeding is deemed unnecessary, always inspect the calipers, hoses and fittings after the first outing for signs of any fluid seepage and correct immediately.
Old Feb 26, 2012 | 11:23 AM
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We just did this yesterday to a friends car. I have a mitey vac hand vacuum bleeder but it didn't work well with a dry system to start, too hard to get the line lock air out. We started with the manual system - pump pedal a few times, hold at 3/4 down, open bleeder/air gush/close bleeder, repeat. Once I got fluid in the jar and made sure to keep the hose submerged to avoid sucking air back in I switched to the hand bleeder and got the rest of the air bubbles out.

It was too much trouble/time trying to get the new wheel cylinders filled with fluid with just the hand bleeder to start. When I do a fresh fluid flush on my car or other bleed where a large part of the system isn't empty it works well/fast.
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Old Feb 26, 2012 | 11:59 AM
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Pumping the pedal does nothing for you. Crack a bleeder open and push the pedal to the floor, close the bleeder. Repeat until no air comes out. On a dry system it is best to bleed at the master by cracking the line fittings.
Old Feb 26, 2012 | 12:01 PM
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I tried again this morning and get fluid but the clear hose never completely fills with fluid. I was thinking I am going to try the manual route next. I did a bleed on my master cylinder, the hand pump i have tells me to fill the master cylinder up, disconnect the front reserior line, attach the clear hose to it and hand pump the fluid. I did that and got only fluid no air buddles. But when I bleed at the brakes i get lots of air. I am wondering if something might not be tighten enough. Hmmmm.....
Old Feb 26, 2012 | 02:16 PM
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I was never a fan of vacuum bleeding. It never worked that well for me. I like the 2 person method and I always get good results.
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