Because its too good. ABS was introduced then banned in Formula 1 in 1993 after being used most succesfully, along with many other driving aids, like traction control, launch control, active suspension and so on, in the 1992 and 1993 seasons. It was classified as an electronic driver aid, preventing the wheels from locking up and eliminating the driver's skill from the process of braking. In many proffesional racing circuits, braking for a corner is still considered to be the most important test for a driver.

edit: it is banned by all serious racing organizations (F1, CART, IRL, NASCAR, etc.).

 

Because its good.......because its good is that all you have to say, if its good then why wouldtheyhave taken it out, by the way did you read thestats i posted even if professionals liked it, those stats alone prove Foreverford and myself are right. And besides in professional auto racing (dirt and pavement) they dont use it knowing it could cause bad accident and in racing its saftey first

 

Yes, I read your post. Did you read my entire post? ABS eliminates the driver's skill from the process of braking. One thing that ABS has that allows it to beat even an experienced driver over the course of a race is that it's a machine, it doesn't get tired, it doesn't get scared, it doesn't loose concentration, and often it can brake each wheel with an individual amount of force. It takes the driver's skill out of the equation, out performs other drivers incircumstances as stated above, and is therefore banned by the racing organizations I previously mentioned.

 

well lets say thats true what did you think of the stats, those tell you Foreverford and myself are right

 

"It's a machine, it doesn't get scared, it doesn't get happy, it doesn't get sad, it just runs programs." -- Short Circuit

To comment on the stopping stats, I have a hard time believing that the non-ABS test was a complete lockup because of this piece of physics trivia: "The coefficient of static friction is larger than the coefficient of kinetic friction: it takes more force to make surfaces start sliding over each other than it does to keep them sliding once started." --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_friction Theoretically the road surface shouldn't make a huge difference....it's a different coefficient of friction, but applied to both ABS and non-ABS tests...

No, ABS is not perfect, of course, so assume that it does take longer to stop with ABS in bad road conditions than non-ABS (even though I still don't buy it). As others have stated, what you gain with ABS is the ability to steer while braking, whereas a lockup isn't going to allow it. Personally, I would much rather have the ability to change a lane and stop beside a disabled car than I would crash into it. Making the argument that you'd be able to stop quicker with non-ABS only works if you are far enough away to ACTUALLY stop the car, so for me handling is more important to me than a few less meters of stopping power.

 

I've barely been able to follow this ridiculous thread.

But turning off ABS on a car designed for it will have terrible results. Your brakes are balanced, they don't have to be thanks to ABS. Without ABS your rear is probably going to lockup before your front brakes and cause a hell lot of fun.

Sounds like hitting a brick wall might be a good idea for some of you guys though

 

speedyejl what you just said sounds ridiculous, your rear brakes WILL NOT lock-up before your front brakes if you lay on the skids, IF you eas into the skids then yes.

and hypromanGT you miss understood something or youre an idiot. you mentioned Theoretically the road surface shouldn't make a huge difference....it's a different coefficient of friction, but applied to both ABS and non-ABS tests... welli want you to go out on a summer day a lay on the brakes without ABS, then do the same in winter, and i dare you to tell me there isnt a HUGE difference.the following information is from the site you went to find your information.

While it is often stated that the coefficient of friction (COF) is a "material property," it is better categorized as a "system property." Unlike true material properties (conductivity, dielectric constant, yield strength, etc . . . ), the COF for any two materials will depend on system variables like temperature, speed, atmosphere, contact geometry and others.

then for your kinetic and static "THEORY"
The coefficient of static friction μs, characterizes friction when no movement exists between the two surfaces in question, and the kinetic coefficient μk, characterizes friction where motion occurs. While static and kinetic friction differ in value (the coefficient of static friction typically being greater than that of kinetic friction), both result from the electric force acting on microscopic irregularities in two adjacent surfaces.


they result from ELECTRIC force

 

Your comments regarding stopping of a 4WD vehicle are partially incorrect. There are several different types of 4WD systems. The old fashioned, part time 4WD and some of the newer systems that simply lock the front and rear driveshafts together, along with a limited slip rear, DO indeed improve braking ability, but ONLY for a driver that keeps his head and uses the brakes properly rather than locking up all four wheels.

Yes, for the panicky driver that simply slams on the brakes as hard as possible when the vehicle gets out of shape, there is NO 4WD system that will help them. For an experienced driver in a 4WD as I describe, the fact that the wheels are somewhat locked together does indeed assist in braking as well as accelerating.

In spite of the fact that I am a Texan, I have driven probably over a hundred thousand miles on snow and ice due to living some of my life in Germany and doing extensive business travel all over North America and Western Europe.

To the subject of the ABS, yes, most any driver is MUCH better off with ABS than without it on any road surface.

 

so you are saying to the AVERAGE driver its better to have ABS, but to BETTER driver its personal opinion on ABS, cause they can do with/without?