Is there a difference.?
10-23-2007, 07:58 PM
#12
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RE: Is there a difference.?
They dont work...but ok.
Im just trying to tell you guys to not waste your money from personal experiance. I bought them, installed them, and kicked myself in the *** for spending $200.
Im just trying to tell you guys to not waste your money from personal experiance. I bought them, installed them, and kicked myself in the *** for spending $200.
10-23-2007, 09:38 PM
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RE: Is there a difference.?
ORIGINAL: ohsixgt1217
They dont work...but ok.
Im just trying to tell you guys to not waste your money from personal experiance. I bought them, installed them, and kicked myself in the *** for spending $200.
They dont work...but ok.
Im just trying to tell you guys to not waste your money from personal experiance. I bought them, installed them, and kicked myself in the *** for spending $200.
You must be the only guy the UDP'sdidn't work for. Most folks see 6-10RWHP for UDPs and 8-11RWHP for a Meziere electric water pump. Many folks think that 15RWHP is possible from the combination of a UD balancer and a Meziere electric water pump and Ithink this as entirely possible based on the 11RWHP+ I have see with the Meziere alone but I havenot swapped the crank balancer yet.
Cheers!
10-23-2007, 11:49 PM
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RE: Is there a difference.?
The "10" hp claimed is not at your peak, you wont see it. It may make your curve sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightly better, but nothing you are going to notice.
Here is a very raw example:
without udp's : 2,500 rpm - 152 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm- 231 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm-272 hp
With udp's: 2,500 rpm- 157 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm-236 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm- 272 hp
This would be an increase of 10 hp, and is why manufactorers can get away with posting these types of gains.
My point is it is not going to raise your peak, and you wont notice the gains elsewhere because there are so minimal. Not worth the $200
Here is a very raw example:
without udp's : 2,500 rpm - 152 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm- 231 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm-272 hp
With udp's: 2,500 rpm- 157 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm-236 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm- 272 hp
This would be an increase of 10 hp, and is why manufactorers can get away with posting these types of gains.
My point is it is not going to raise your peak, and you wont notice the gains elsewhere because there are so minimal. Not worth the $200
10-24-2007, 12:12 AM
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RE: Is there a difference.?
ORIGINAL: GT Bob
The thing to remember is that the crankshaft pulley also works to balance out any harmonics created by the engine (hence the reason it's also called a harmonic dampener). So what you are calling "bulky" is actually mass that is allowing your engine to keep from tearing itself apart in half the time is would normally wear out in. There is a reason Steeda's are considered direct factory replacement parts by Ford for the purposes of warrenty.
Personally, I will trade a couple of horsepower to have my engine last an extra 75K miles...
The thing to remember is that the crankshaft pulley also works to balance out any harmonics created by the engine (hence the reason it's also called a harmonic dampener). So what you are calling "bulky" is actually mass that is allowing your engine to keep from tearing itself apart in half the time is would normally wear out in. There is a reason Steeda's are considered direct factory replacement parts by Ford for the purposes of warrenty.
Personally, I will trade a couple of horsepower to have my engine last an extra 75K miles...
10-24-2007, 08:13 AM
#16
RE: Is there a difference.?
ORIGINAL: ohsixgt1217
Here is a very raw example:
without udp's : 2,500 rpm - 152 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm- 231 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm-272 hp
With udp's: 2,500 rpm- 157 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm-236 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm- 272 hp
This would be an increase of 10 hp, and is why manufactorers can get away with posting these types of gains.
Here is a very raw example:
without udp's : 2,500 rpm - 152 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm- 231 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm-272 hp
With udp's: 2,500 rpm- 157 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm-236 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm- 272 hp
This would be an increase of 10 hp, and is why manufactorers can get away with posting these types of gains.
10-24-2007, 10:38 AM
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RE: Is there a difference.?
ORIGINAL: acascianelli
Where did you get those numbers from?
ORIGINAL: ohsixgt1217
Here is a very raw example:
without udp's : 2,500 rpm - 152 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm- 231 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm-272 hp
With udp's: 2,500 rpm- 157 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm-236 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm- 272 hp
This would be an increase of 10 hp, and is why manufactorers can get away with posting these types of gains.
Here is a very raw example:
without udp's : 2,500 rpm - 152 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm- 231 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm-272 hp
With udp's: 2,500 rpm- 157 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm-236 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm- 272 hp
This would be an increase of 10 hp, and is why manufactorers can get away with posting these types of gains.
This guy is an idiot, nobody, not even GMS makes power claims that are added uplike that.Every horsepower claimI have ever seen published has been based on the delta between a baseline dyno pull andafter installation dyno pulls of the parts being tested. My own dyno runs showed a clear 8-10RWHP+ (SAE correction withsmoothing set to 5), gain with the Meziere electric water pump at middle 4,000RPMto upper 6,8000RPMs. Hundreds of other people who have tested these parts on a dyno have seen similar results at the wheels and I'm certain that people with UDP's that reduce parasitic drag have found and will continue to findsimilar results. UDP's and electric water pumps are some of the cheapest power to found and are free of any emissions related issues.
Cheers!
10-24-2007, 11:09 AM
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RE: Is there a difference.?
ORIGINAL: acascianelli
Where did you get those numbers from?
ORIGINAL: ohsixgt1217
Here is a very raw example:
without udp's : 2,500 rpm - 152 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm- 231 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm-272 hp
With udp's: 2,500 rpm- 157 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm-236 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm- 272 hp
This would be an increase of 10 hp, and is why manufactorers can get away with posting these types of gains.
Here is a very raw example:
without udp's : 2,500 rpm - 152 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm- 231 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm-272 hp
With udp's: 2,500 rpm- 157 hp
3,000 rpm- 204 hp
3,500 rpm-236 hp
4,500 rpm- 246 hp
6,000 rpm- 272 hp
This would be an increase of 10 hp, and is why manufactorers can get away with posting these types of gains.
And to the guy that called me an idiot...LOL!
I dont even want to get into an argument on here. But that IS in fact how manufactorers can give larger hp gain numbers. They are not peak like you think they are.
"Oh I had 250 baseline, I added headers that say 15 hp, CAI that says 20hp, and UDP's that says 15 hp! That means I should be at 300 hp!"
Sorry buddy, it doesnt work like that. Do some research. In fact I do know what im talking about, sorry. If you want you can keep reading your magazine articles and boxes and tell me that UDP's add 10 hp. Lol
10-24-2007, 11:20 AM
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RE: Is there a difference.?
How about you find some real proof that UDPs don't work instead of your "raw" bull**** numbers.
Every post of your that I read shows how much of an arrogant *** you are. People like you make it embarassing to own a Mustang. Out of everybody that has installed UDPs, your part of a very VERY small group of people that claim they don't work. If they don't work, why don't you get rid of them.
Every post of your that I read shows how much of an arrogant *** you are. People like you make it embarassing to own a Mustang. Out of everybody that has installed UDPs, your part of a very VERY small group of people that claim they don't work. If they don't work, why don't you get rid of them.