GT500 FTL
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RE: GT500 FTL
ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt
Maybe you GM guys can help me out because the numbers still don't ad up to me. The last year of production for Camaros and T/A's had 325 Hp and ran the quarter in 13.5(Says motor trend) they also weighed 3550. Now you say the usual bolt ons get you in the 11's? A cam change is good for 40 or 50 hp and heads maybe another 50hp.(neither of these upgrades are easy bolt ons)To run 11.8 in a 3550 pound car you'll need 535 crank hp. By way of comparsion a 3200 poundZ06 Corvettewith a hand built 427 small block thats makeing an underated505Crank hp. and runs high 11's low 12's! A GTO has 400 hp and runs the quarter in low to mid 13's. (I know they outweigh a camaro by 300 pounds) Now you can strip a Camaro to the bone and get it to weigh as much as a Corvette. You can slap on a set of slicks for traction. But nobody drives around on the highwaylike this on a daily basic I hope??? The original thread sounds like a highway run. Now to totally walk away from a GT500 your going to need 550Hp or more. How are you guys doing this on just motor??? Im not calling bull sh*t because I have seen 11 second Camaros but they had power adders. Whats your guys secret???
And after you clear this up for me we can talk about the legend of the 12 second stock LS1's you always hear about.
Maybe you GM guys can help me out because the numbers still don't ad up to me. The last year of production for Camaros and T/A's had 325 Hp and ran the quarter in 13.5(Says motor trend) they also weighed 3550. Now you say the usual bolt ons get you in the 11's? A cam change is good for 40 or 50 hp and heads maybe another 50hp.(neither of these upgrades are easy bolt ons)To run 11.8 in a 3550 pound car you'll need 535 crank hp. By way of comparsion a 3200 poundZ06 Corvettewith a hand built 427 small block thats makeing an underated505Crank hp. and runs high 11's low 12's! A GTO has 400 hp and runs the quarter in low to mid 13's. (I know they outweigh a camaro by 300 pounds) Now you can strip a Camaro to the bone and get it to weigh as much as a Corvette. You can slap on a set of slicks for traction. But nobody drives around on the highwaylike this on a daily basic I hope??? The original thread sounds like a highway run. Now to totally walk away from a GT500 your going to need 550Hp or more. How are you guys doing this on just motor??? Im not calling bull sh*t because I have seen 11 second Camaros but they had power adders. Whats your guys secret???
And after you clear this up for me we can talk about the legend of the 12 second stock LS1's you always hear about.
The slowest LS1, a 2.73 geared/automatic/full option LS1 will probably run mid 13's....but the rest will run low 13's and trap high enough to run 12's.
A cam change was good for almost 75rwhp in my car....with STOCK heads. So you're looking at nearly 100 crank hp gain from a simple, yes simple, cam swap. I have friends making 415rwhp+ in cam only/stock headed cars, but they're tuned for motor...whereas I'm not.
You do know the fastest STOCK ZO6 to date has went 10.8x's, right? High 11's to low 12's...c'mon man. I think everyone here knows better. 450rwhp in a 3100lb car made for racing....
The GTO is heavier than an f-body. They also come with IRS from the factory, which not only weighs them down, but also makes them MUCH harder to launch than a solid axle f-body, much like the Terminators.
And as already said, even a Mustang magazine ran a stock LS1 to 12.8....
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
There doing it on motor because they have suspesion work done and they run 1.6 60' times.
That and all the GM guys seem to run 1/8th tracks
There doing it on motor because they have suspesion work done and they run 1.6 60' times.
That and all the GM guys seem to run 1/8th tracks
We all know how thoseLS1's fall flat on their face up top anyway.....
[8D]I'm glad there's still a few of you guys that have learned to know better by now.
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RE: GT500 FTL
ORIGINAL: JD1969
I have stock heads and a stock LS6intake. Our intakes are good for over 500 rwhp.
ORIGINAL: AmericanMuscle4.6GT
thank you for setting the record straight.
with suspension work, h/c/i and bolt ons; 11's are not much of a problem for an LS1; from what i've seen. (all motor)
ORIGINAL: JD1969
Bolt on's won't get you in the 11's on a full weight F body, but bolt on+a cam + big converter will. Your numbers abouve are way off. It's been proven that GM underrarted the LS1 in the F body to keep the Vette nerds happy. Real world numbers show that it's very common for an LS1 f body to put done 300+ rwhp. Cam swaps are not really a big deal, you don't even have to remove the intake on the LS1 to do it (there's a really cool trick to move the lifters out of the way). I dyoed 393 rwhp on a Mustang dyno with my bolt ons and cam swap, so I assume that I am making about 440 or so crank hp. Remember though that my car 60 foots very well. As for the stock 12 second f body, GM High Tech did it and Muscle Mustangs did it, and it was not a corrected number, but it was run at at one of the fastest tracks in the country (Atco NJ).
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/9...8E68B65C57.htm
And it's a full 1/4 pass non of that sissy 1/8 mile crap either[8D]
Questions?
ORIGINAL: bluebeastsrt
Maybe you GM guys can help me out because the numbers still don't ad up to me. The last year of production for Camaros and T/A's had 325 Hp and ran the quarter in 13.5(Says motor trend) they also weighed 3550. Now you say the usual bolt ons get you in the 11's? A cam change is good for 40 or 50 hp and heads maybe another 50hp.(neither of these upgrades are easy bolt ons)To run 11.8 in a 3550 pound car you'll need 535 crank hp. By way of comparsion a 3200 poundZ06 Corvettewith a hand built 427 small block thats makeing an underated505Crank hp. and runs high 11's low 12's! A GTO has 400 hp and runs the quarter in low to mid 13's. (I know they outweigh a camaro by 300 pounds) Now you can strip a Camaro to the bone and get it to weigh as much as a Corvette. You can slap on a set of slicks for traction. But nobody drives around on the highwaylike this on a daily basic I hope??? The original thread sounds like a highway run. Now to totally walk away from a GT500 your going to need 550Hp or more. How are you guys doing this on just motor??? Im not calling bull sh*t because I have seen 11 second Camaros but they had power adders. Whats your guys secret???
And after you clear this up for me we can talk about the legend of the 12 second stock LS1's you always hear about.
Maybe you GM guys can help me out because the numbers still don't ad up to me. The last year of production for Camaros and T/A's had 325 Hp and ran the quarter in 13.5(Says motor trend) they also weighed 3550. Now you say the usual bolt ons get you in the 11's? A cam change is good for 40 or 50 hp and heads maybe another 50hp.(neither of these upgrades are easy bolt ons)To run 11.8 in a 3550 pound car you'll need 535 crank hp. By way of comparsion a 3200 poundZ06 Corvettewith a hand built 427 small block thats makeing an underated505Crank hp. and runs high 11's low 12's! A GTO has 400 hp and runs the quarter in low to mid 13's. (I know they outweigh a camaro by 300 pounds) Now you can strip a Camaro to the bone and get it to weigh as much as a Corvette. You can slap on a set of slicks for traction. But nobody drives around on the highwaylike this on a daily basic I hope??? The original thread sounds like a highway run. Now to totally walk away from a GT500 your going to need 550Hp or more. How are you guys doing this on just motor??? Im not calling bull sh*t because I have seen 11 second Camaros but they had power adders. Whats your guys secret???
And after you clear this up for me we can talk about the legend of the 12 second stock LS1's you always hear about.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/9...8E68B65C57.htm
And it's a full 1/4 pass non of that sissy 1/8 mile crap either[8D]
Questions?
thank you for setting the record straight.
with suspension work, h/c/i and bolt ons; 11's are not much of a problem for an LS1; from what i've seen. (all motor)
what about the internals of an LS1? what are they good up to? what is the weak link as far as that goes?
from what i've heard, the stock 10 bolt? i think is the weak link in the drivetrain.
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From: Jersey
RE: GT500 FTL
I guess i'll have to take your word for it. But if any of you guys run at atco NJ or Cecil County Maryland I'd love to come down and check out your set-up and see an 11 second pass. Hell maybe i'll make an 11 second pass with you!
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RE: GT500 FTL
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2537165/1
theres a link to the cardomain site. the car has been a 10.2 @ 132 on a 150 hit, theres a 300 shot on it now. It has been a best of 11.15 @ 120 on motor, before i ripped any of the weight out.
sorry for the delayed response.
theres a link to the cardomain site. the car has been a 10.2 @ 132 on a 150 hit, theres a 300 shot on it now. It has been a best of 11.15 @ 120 on motor, before i ripped any of the weight out.
sorry for the delayed response.
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From: Charlotte, NC
RE: GT500 FTL
ORIGINAL: JUGRNAUT
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2537165/1
theres a link to the cardomain site. the car has been a 10.2 @ 132 on a 150 hit, theres a 300 shot on it now. It has been a best of 11.15 @ 120 on motor, before i ripped any of the weight out.
sorry for the delayed response.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2537165/1
theres a link to the cardomain site. the car has been a 10.2 @ 132 on a 150 hit, theres a 300 shot on it now. It has been a best of 11.15 @ 120 on motor, before i ripped any of the weight out.
sorry for the delayed response.
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RE: GT500 FTL
ORIGINAL: Quick Shot xMLx
Wow dude that's nice. Aren't you an NC local? You were calling out that carolinaspeed Vince guy right....
ORIGINAL: JUGRNAUT
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2537165/1
theres a link to the cardomain site. the car has been a 10.2 @ 132 on a 150 hit, theres a 300 shot on it now. It has been a best of 11.15 @ 120 on motor, before i ripped any of the weight out.
sorry for the delayed response.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2537165/1
theres a link to the cardomain site. the car has been a 10.2 @ 132 on a 150 hit, theres a 300 shot on it now. It has been a best of 11.15 @ 120 on motor, before i ripped any of the weight out.
sorry for the delayed response.
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From: Charlotte, NC
RE: GT500 FTL
ORIGINAL: JUGRNAUT
yeah, i live in raleigh. that idiot vince started running his mouth, told me to come to their meet, i did, and then he didnt show. he then proceeded to get back on the internet and run his mouth like a woman. i called out their entire board and told them to bring ANYTHING that they own out, but they didnt bring ****.
ORIGINAL: Quick Shot xMLx
Wow dude that's nice. Aren't you an NC local? You were calling out that carolinaspeed Vince guy right....
ORIGINAL: JUGRNAUT
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2537165/1
theres a link to the cardomain site. the car has been a 10.2 @ 132 on a 150 hit, theres a 300 shot on it now. It has been a best of 11.15 @ 120 on motor, before i ripped any of the weight out.
sorry for the delayed response.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2537165/1
theres a link to the cardomain site. the car has been a 10.2 @ 132 on a 150 hit, theres a 300 shot on it now. It has been a best of 11.15 @ 120 on motor, before i ripped any of the weight out.
sorry for the delayed response.